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Wow, do you think what the US does or doesn't do effects the entire planet? Coal and energy use are still growing rapidly in other countries, and CO2 levels are still rising globally.
Polar caps on Mars are melting too ... the moons around Saturn are brighter these days because they are warming .. and so it goes and so it goes.
Do humans live on Mars? Do humans live on Saturn?
Magnetic pole shifts, tectonic plate shifts, and more, all play a role in the climate of this planet ..
And?
Every planet in our solar system is showing signs of warming in some way and here we are, acting as if we are the ones doing it.
I for one do not care whether we did it, are doing it, or didn't do it at all...
The only thing that's going to wipe us off the face of the earth anytime soon would be our own arrogance ..
Really, and you know this because????
Ice core samples have proven that a million years ago the earth has been a lot hotter than this .. Did cars and people cause that too?
Absolutely not. Because humans were not anywhere around a million years ago... but we are here now... some of us would like to stick around longer than a few thousand years.
You can't be serious, only the tree huggers from oregon would believe that...
Rolling Stone is only the messenger. It is a more accessible messenger than some scientific journal that requires a subscription of $135/yr. to access. Some will read the link and their inbuilt "ring of truth" meter will wake the neighborhood. Others not so much. Only in America. Only in America is there such a divide between those who can discern the truth from those who choose not to see and hear the truth in the everyday stories that are being lived and told. There is nothing "cyclic" in "last June and July have been the hottest two months ever". The denier scientists are using accessible media to spread their message as well.
The link embedded here contains some hard data on what is known about climate change. We don't usually have too many denier threads in the Dog Days of summer because its hard to laugh about the ridiculous assertions of AGW proponents when houses are being consumed in wildfires by the hundreds. Still, wildfires and AGW are a stretch for Americans. More to the point, many of us think we are going to be dead and gone by the time things get serious enough to materially affect our way of life. Wrong. So you can't say you didn't know. Here are the hard numbers friends. Read it and weep.
And what if they don't? What if it isn't our fault? Really? What-if-it-isn't-our-fault? When our atmosphere heats 5 degrees Centigrade human life will be extinguished. Will it make you feel better to know that we did nothing at all to attempt to prevent it? Do you really believe that we are helpless to prevent species extinction? Maybe we are... but most of us don't know that and we get in the SUV several times a day and drive it around with just one person in it and leave it idling...
There is debate over whether Type II (adult onset) diabetes is preventable or not. Some think it's genetic and if you have the gene for it... Bob's your uncle. What isn't in doubt is that once you have diabetes if you do not observe dietary, lifestyle and pharmaceutical protocols, blindness, amputations, heart disease, kidney disease and death will follow. Most diabetics go through a period of denial immediately after diagnosis. They do not begin the life extending protocols until one or more of the crisis points are experienced.
The mistake, as I see it, was to link AGW with carbon emissions. The link between carbon and atmospheric warming is too indirect for Americans. The strategies to reduce carbon emissions were too much carrot and too little stick. Typical. Fact is we have billions of cars, planes, diesel locomotives, weed-whackers, lawn mowers, and plain old people... ever see how quick 200 people raise the temperature of a room with a certified occupancy of 200 people? 7 Billion humans by themselves could have started the atmosphere on a slow warming trend. Add in the gegaws and thingamabobs of human civilization and only the tools of the corporate status quo will claim with a straight face that is it La Nina that is causing the unprecedented climate events of the present day.
But, I repeat... it doesn't really matter whether we are guilty or not. It is a NO CONTEST plea deal that is on the table. There is no harm (except to corporate interests) by assuming that continued atmospheric warming will have deleterious effects on human progress. Jobs have been going to China and India for the last decade and there is zero evidence that doing something responsible about climate change will increase or reverse the trend.
Did they fake the fires? The floods? The deadly heat waves? The crop failures... yah yah... there have been fires before, floods, crop failures... what can I say... eventually there will come a point when it will be impossible to play these games... that will be both a good day and a bad day.... a really, really bad day.
And what if they don't? What if it isn't our fault? Really? What-if-it-isn't-our-fault? When our atmosphere heats 5 degrees Centigrade human life will be extinguished. Will it make you feel better to know that we did nothing at all to attempt to prevent it? Do you really believe that we are helpless to prevent species extinction? Maybe we are... but most of us don't know that and we get in the SUV several times a day and drive it around with just one person in it and leave it idling...
There is debate over whether Type II (adult onset) diabetes is preventable or not. Some think it's genetic and if you have the gene for it... Bob's your uncle. What isn't in doubt is that once you have diabetes if you do not observe dietary, lifestyle and pharmaceutical protocols, blindness, amputations, heart disease, kidney disease and death will follow. Most diabetics go through a period of denial immediately after diagnosis. They do not begin the life extending protocols until one or more of the crisis points are experienced.
The mistake, as I see it, was to link AGW with carbon emissions. The link between carbon and atmospheric warming is too indirect for Americans. The strategies to reduce carbon emissions were too much carrot and too little stick. Typical. Fact is we have billions of cars, planes, diesel locomotives, weed-whackers, lawn mowers, and plain old people... ever see how quick 200 people raise the temperature of a room with a certified occupancy of 200 people? 7 Billion humans by themselves could have started the atmosphere on a slow warming trend. Add in the gegaws and thingamabobs of human civilization and only the tools of the corporate status quo will claim with a straight face that is it La Nina that is causing the unprecedented climate events of the present day.
But, I repeat... it doesn't really matter whether we are guilty or not. It is a NO CONTEST plea deal that is on the table. There is no harm (except to corporate interests) by assuming that continued atmospheric warming will have deleterious effects on human progress. Jobs have been going to China and India for the last decade and there is zero evidence that doing something responsible about climate change will increase or reverse the trend.
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"once you have diabetes if you do not observe dietary, lifestyle and pharmaceutical protocols, blindness, amputations, heart disease, kidney disease and death will follow."
So you're saying that if I do have diabetes and if I do all the things the doctors tell me to do, I won't die?
"once you have diabetes if you do not observe dietary, lifestyle and pharmaceutical protocols, blindness, amputations, heart disease, kidney disease and death will follow."
So you're saying that if I do have diabetes and if I do all the things the doctors tell me to do, I won't die?
Would you rather die slowly over a 15 year period, going slowly blind, losing a foot or two along the way or would you like to live another 30 maybe 40 years in relatively good health? I do not accept that humanity has to end in 2075. And humanity is far from doing anything the doctor has suggested.
Absolutely not. Because humans were not anywhere around a million years ago... but we are here now... some of us would like to stick around longer than a few thousand years.
Heh ... but the climate was, and the continents were, and the trees were, and the environment was ..
All that said, it's not only been proven that temps were on average 20 degrees higher, but oxygen levels were also up to 15% higher .. around the world back in the day.
It's not just the ice sciences that scream B.S. on manmade global warming ..
Geology is one of the more perfect roadmaps for navigating the past here on earth ... There are proven disciplines outside of meteorology that say that manmade global warming is bunko .. rubbish .. fairytale .. imaginary.
And we humans, being as afraid of the dark as we are, will go running around like we really know something about climate.
We only know as much about the climate as the earth itself will allow. We don't know the future, but we damn sure know about the past .. it's written in stone and in ice .. it's written in the fossils and the coal and the granite .. and you can't deny that.
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