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View Poll Results: Should seatbelt laws exist?
Yes 190 62.91%
No 104 34.44%
Unsure 8 2.65%
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Old 08-19-2012, 11:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal View Post
Reading comprehension problems? I chose neither side of the arguement but rather pointed out facts to the OP.

You can pick and choose which laws you want to obey; however, in doing so one must be willing to accept the price. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
So do you support seat belt laws are not?

There.

 
Old 08-19-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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I think that may be a bit of a stretch. Motorcycles are accepted modes of transportation. Some modes of transportation bear inherently higher risks than others - but we still think they are acceptable. You see, you could also argue that car accidents cause many more fatalities and injuries than train travel and that you should, consequently, prohibit the automobile and reinvest in much safer train travel.

Next you could argue that walking is safer and causes even fewer deaths....

Since none of that makes any sense, it's not really a valid point. What is a valid point is that we can make the modes of transport we deem acceptable a bit safer. Some believe that laws (such as seat belt and helmet laws) are the way to go...
Isn't all of it based on risk though?? If your trying to outlaw risks, or choosing laws that lower risk, then why not cut out the riskiest practices??

Which is safer? Riding a motorcycle or driving without a seat belt??

I'm stupid for not wearing a seat belt but a biker is not considered stupid for driving a motorcycle. Doesn't make sense.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 11:23 AM
 
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I am for seat belt laws for anyone that isn't an adult. If you are an adult and you want to gamble your life away despite overwhelming evidence that seat belts save lives, then whatever. You will do what you want to do at that point. Just as long as you are not endangering someone that is less able to make an informed decision, then have at it.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Same thing with a car going underwater. I always take mine off on bridges over waterways. I've been nabbed twice for no belt. I think they should go back to it not being the sole reason for a stop.
I do this, too. And I roll my windows down.

I thought it was still required to be a secondary violation. Maybe it depends on the state.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 11:25 AM
 
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Why should I be obligated to research your post history when my comment was directed solely at the comment as expressed?

There's nothing narcissitic in my post.

Why do people insist on relying on red herrings and false analogies. You would have been better off by asking me if I am favor of mandatory helmet laws. And yes as a motorcyclist I believe in mandatory helmet laws. As for alcohol besides being another red herring, in this context only becomes an issue when it is abused.

As for cigarettes. Even as a smoker, I would greatly appreciate it if the government did outlaw it. It would save me the time, effort and money that I've wasted trying to quit.

Any other questions?
No. I get it. You want the government to outlaw all things unsafe. I understand your stance on seat belt laws, just disagree with it.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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Just as long as you are not endangering someone that is less able to make an informed decision, then have at it.
And as a taxpayer you are more than happy to pick up the costs of that decision?
 
Old 08-19-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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I am for seat belt laws for anyone that isn't an adult. If you are an adult and you want to gamble your life away despite overwhelming evidence that seat belts save lives, then whatever. You will do what you want to do at that point. Just as long as you are not endangering someone that is less able to make an informed decision, then have at it.
I'm for seat belt laws for minors.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 11:27 AM
 
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And as a taxpayer you are more than happy to pick up the costs of that decision?
We pick up the costs of your smoking habit.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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I do this, too. And I roll my windows down.

I thought it was still required to be a secondary violation. Maybe it depends on the state.
Not in KY. I was pulled over for simply not wearing a seat belt. The cop who was going in the opposite direction busted a U-turn and raced to come pull me over and give me a seat belt ticket.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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A child seat is the same type of restraint as a seat belt. Are you really advocating for a little girl to suffer agonizing pain becuase she was required by the law to wear a defice that restrained her from escaping from flames?

How sadistic can you be?
Child seats are not at all the same. The harness is not flexible like a seatbelt, once it's adjusted to fit the child, it doesn't move. When the child gets bigger, you have to readjust it. Also a child seat has a five point harness, not three. I don't see why they couldn't just cut the belt off, either way, in your scenario.
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