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Old 10-04-2007, 02:21 PM
 
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And the creditor would be the hospital. If you cannot pay your medical bills, the hospital does not get payment for services, and then the hospital passes on the cost to those who can pay to try to recover the loss on those who cannot (after sending you to a collection agency and threatening to destroy your credit of course).
So your solution to some bills not getting paid at a hospital, is to tax EVERYONE.. yes, thats so much better.. Make people pay MORE taxes that cant afford to pay anymore, Mandate it.. put them in jail for not paying their taxes, instead of collections for not paying your hospital bill.. much, much better..
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:26 PM
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Don't be ridiculous. Your hyperbole does nothing for this issue.

The health care system is broken and it is reprehensible that people go bankrupt trying to get medical care. I want that fixed, I will not accept any system that allows for such as a system that works. Scream and cry 'socialism' all you want, but you will not be able to justify a system to me that leaves so many people out.
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:31 PM
 
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Don't be ridiculous. Your hyperbole does nothing for this issue.

The health care system is broken and it is reprehensible that people go bankrupt trying to get medical care. I want that fixed, I will not accept any system that allows for such as a system that works. Scream and cry 'socialism' all you want, but you will not be able to justify a system to me that leaves so many people out.
What part of my posting is ridiculous? They dont put people in jail for failure to pay taxes? Lets take this even further, people dont lose their houses due to not being able to afford "taxes"? Tell me what part of that is ok..

Perhapse we should have a national tax fund.. to pay for everyones property taxes that make less then $80,000 a year.. Sure.. That'll work.

Want another one.. How many people lost their houses due to "katrina", and the technical reason was "flooding" rarely covered by insurance. Perhapse a national flood insurance fund you'll be ok with.. After all, how many of those people had to file bankruptcy? Its reprehensible that people have to file bankruptcy cause it rains!!
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Old 10-04-2007, 03:14 PM
 
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Actually, the government does not cover the debt when you file bankruptcy, the creditor takes 100% of the loss, I do not pay for someone elses bills when they do not unless I CHOOSE to do business with those creditors that took that loss..
You pay in higher cost for those that do not pay.
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Old 10-04-2007, 03:15 PM
 
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You pay in higher cost for those that do not pay.
Yes, but its a CHOICE for me to pay that higher costs.
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Old 10-04-2007, 03:19 PM
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Yes, but its a CHOICE for me to pay that higher costs.
And how is that, by staying home and stitching yourself up with a needle and thread instead of going to the hospital?
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:13 PM
 
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Just for reference, the national SCHIP "Children's Healthcare" program is already in existence (since 1997) and covers seven million children who's families make TO MUCH money for medicade, but would rather have two cars and a big screen T.V. than purchase health care for their kids. This latest bill was just a stepping stone closer to full fledged socialized medicine. It would have expanded tax payer coverage of "children" up to the age of 25. I am 23 and I could financially qualify for this at the moment, but I am not a child. Why try and push universal socialized healthcare on intellegent Americans all at once? Why not move slowly under the guise of the 25 year old "children."

If you want the government to control such a large aspect of your life as your health, then by all means say that you want socialized medicine. I prefer my doctor to be the best in his field and not be an underpaid government hack that France and Cuba currently enjoy. The best people will no longer go into medicine once the government gets in and royally screws things up. Think about how well the government does anything...people that waited for the gov to help them during Katrina, the federal budget, the Postal Service as compared to Fedex and UPS, securing the border...wait they did do a great job in creating the massive dependency culture that our hard working segment of the population now enjoys funding.
The SCHIP bill allows people to select private health insurance, the kicker is that the government will pay the premium. So are you calling this socialized because the government pays the premiums? You realize that Medicare works the same way. The federal gov farms out the administration of Medicare to private companies who then bill the feds. And we also already have the plan that the UK has and we call it the Veterans Administration. You realize that the people who work at the VA are federal employees. VA hospitals are owned and run by the federal government and the money from all this comes from taxpayers. Do want to get rid of that "socialized system" that Vets have been enjoying for many years?

Come on, if you want to have a serious discussions then cut out the rhetoric and let's talk about what's practical and doable. In my opinion the US has very good healthcare if you can ACCESS it. Let me comment on the insurance market; I have not seen any health insurance companies competing with each other to LOWER premiums. Walmart and Target competes and that keeps the price of toilet paper low, however the health insurance industry just doesn't work that way. Lowering premiums to get everyone covered would bring in revenue, however it could also lead to disaster in terms of costs if people USE too much healthcare. That's the thing about insurance--it costs more when you use it.

C.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:17 PM
 
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And how is that, by staying home and stitching yourself up with a needle and thread instead of going to the hospital?
um.. whats the last insurance company or hospital to file "bankruptcy" and go completely under? They rarely do.. so obviously I wasnt speaking of either.
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:05 PM
 
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Say NO MORE to MURDER BY SPREADSHEET.
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Here you go - the truth about Bush's objections to getting poor kid's health insurance. He just does not want to put a tax on tobacco, pure and simple. Everybody claiming it was all about the limits can now see that was a line of BS. Apparently Bush never imagined the congress would get together and agree to amend the bill. The good news is there is a good chance this time enough Republicans will sign on to override his veto. Nasty, nasty man.


President Bush told Republican lawmakers on Tuesday he will not agree to legislation expanding children's health insurance if it includes a tobacco tax increase, a decision that virtually ensures a renewed veto struggle with the Democratic-controlled Congress.

Bush's remarks represented a hardening of the administration's public position in a running veto showdown over Democratic-led attempts to enact legislation that provides coverage for 6 million children who now lack it. The officials who disclosed his comments did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were made in a closed-door meeting.

Their goal is to reach a compromise that can command enough votes to gain the two-thirds majority needed in both houses to override the president's veto, if necessary.

The negotiations were private, but in an ominous sign for the White House, Republican leaders said during the day they might defy a White House veto.

House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, asked if he might support a bill that the president would not sign, he replied: "That's always a possibility."

In a similar vein, House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said he would "have to see the bill" before deciding.


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