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Old 10-04-2007, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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Just for reference, the national SCHIP "Children's Healthcare" program is already in existence (since 1997) and covers seven million children who's families make TO MUCH money for medicade, but would rather have two cars and a big screen T.V. than purchase health care for their kids. This latest bill was just a stepping stone closer to full fledged socialized medicine. It would have expanded tax payer coverage of "children" up to the age of 25. I am 23 and I could financially qualify for this at the moment, but I am not a child. Why try and push universal socialized healthcare on intellegent Americans all at once? Why not move slowly under the guise of the 25 year old "children."

If you want the government to control such a large aspect of your life as your health, then by all means say that you want socialized medicine. I prefer my doctor to be the best in his field and not be an underpaid government hack that France and Cuba currently enjoy. The best people will no longer go into medicine once the government gets in and royally screws things up. Think about how well the government does anything...people that waited for the gov to help them during Katrina, the federal budget, the Postal Service as compared to Fedex and UPS, securing the border...wait they did do a great job in creating the massive dependency culture that our hard working segment of the population now enjoys funding.
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:13 PM
j33
 
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I for one do not want to remain the last developed nation that does not provide some sort of medical care for her citizens. So you can blather on and scream 'socialism' all you want. It means nothing to me.

Oh, and I have family on SCHIP, and am glad that those children have health care ... and if you truly did see how frugal their parents lived, you'd shut up very quickly. If they were to try and purchase healthcare for their kids (they currently do not have it, their jobs do not offer it ... yes they are looking for new jobs) then they'd probably have to move out of their modest two-bedroom home with a $800 a month mortgage into a homeless shelter.

I just love it when people make assumptions about the lifestyles of the working poor.
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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I for one do not want to remain the last developed nation that does not provide some sort of medical care for her citizens. So you can blather on and scream 'socialism' all you want. It means nothing to me.

Oh, and I have family on SCHIP, and am glad that those children have health care ... and if you truly did see how frugal their parents lived, you'd shut up very quickly. If they were to try and purchase healthcare for their kids (they currently do not have it, their jobs do not offer it ... yes they are looking for new jobs) then they'd probably have to move out of their modest two-bedroom home with a $800 a month mortgage into a homeless shelter.

I just love it when people make assumptions about the lifestyles of the working poor.
Ok, J33, so you want socialized medicine. What makes you think that the government can deliver what they say they can, despite the way government bureaucracy handles everything else they do?
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:22 PM
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Well, the insurance companies are sure doing a bang-up job aren't they? (rolls eyes)
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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Um...yes. You buy health insurance, which ever kind you like. If you want 80/20 coverage, you buy that. Then, the insurance company pays for 80 percent of your doctor visit and 80 percent of your medication costs. If you prefer full coverage, then you buy that and the insurance company pays for all of your medical costs including catostrophic, so long as you didn't lie about pre-existing conditions. Oh and you get to choose your specialists, whether or not you want a certain test, when you want the test (not if the govt run program can fit you in 27 months down the road, oh you died already? I'm sorry about that).
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:32 PM
 
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Well, the insurance companies are sure doing a bang-up job aren't they? (rolls eyes)
My computers a piece of crap.. what governmental agency do I send it in so I can get a new one? It worked well when it started, but since the government is going to start to take over things that break, I want my new pc!!
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:45 PM
j33
 
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Comparing access to healthcare for a child to getting a new computer doesn't even make sense. That is comparing apples to napalm. It means nothing.

But carry on chanting "personal responsibility" "screw everyone but me" "the market is god, the market will save us" over and over. You don't know how silly you sound.
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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What if mainly boils down to is that everyone should have access to health care without having a heart attack and having to declare bankruptcy to get over the resulting huge medical bills. Bankruptcies based on overwhelming medical bills mean the losses get passed on to us. The government should do something to stop this.

You all whining around by saying, "I'm not paying for someone else's surgery, I'm not paying for someone's oxygen tank, or I'm not paying for someone else's drugs" doesn't work because you already are when someone declares bankruptcy over huge medical bills.
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:07 PM
 
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What if mainly boils down to is that everyone should have access to health care without having a heart attack and having to declare bankruptcy to get over the resulting huge medical bills. Bankruptcies based on overwhelming medical bills mean the losses get passed on to us. The government should do something to stop this.

You all whining around by saying, "I'm not paying for someone else's surgery, I'm not paying for someone's oxygen tank, or I'm not paying for someone else's drugs" doesn't work because you already are when someone declares bankruptcy over huge medical bills.
Actually, the government does not cover the debt when you file bankruptcy, the creditor takes 100% of the loss, I do not pay for someone elses bills when they do not unless I CHOOSE to do business with those creditors that took that loss..
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:16 PM
j33
 
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And the creditor would be the hospital. If you cannot pay your medical bills, the hospital does not get payment for services, and then the hospital passes on the cost to those who can pay to try to recover the loss on those who cannot (after sending you to a collection agency and threatening to destroy your credit of course).
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