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Old 08-19-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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I just can't stand it! Where did you people go to school!?!? Clearly there wasn't a debating class within a country mile!

PLEASE look up the term False Analogy!
It is quite possibly the worst attempt at constructing an analogy I've ever seen.
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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The most neutral time is the half-way point between the two extremes. It's 5:07:30pm.

[whoever said it was 5:00pm will be happiest, though]
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:08 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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The most neutral time is the half-way point between the two extremes. It's 5:07:30pm.

[whoever said it was 5:00pm will be happiest, though]
5:07:30pm may be the "most neutral", but what if the time is actually 5:30pm?

Neutrality, thus defined, would be wrong and you would miss your appointment.
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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The problem is that secularism falsely claims to be neutral and denies that it's anti-Christian.
As long as it's equally anti-Muslim, anti-Asatru, anti-Shinto and anti-Christian, it is in fact neutral. That's rather what neutral means.
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:14 PM
 
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I just can't stand it! Where did you people go to school!?!? Clearly there wasn't a debating class within a country mile!

PLEASE look up the term False Analogy!
Home school--"where the deer and the dinosaurs play..." (everybody sing!)
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:25 PM
 
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How bout I make the analogy.

Religion is like women. Since polygamy isn't socially acceptable, marriage can only be between two people. You're only married to one person at a time and if you marry the wrong one your life will be a living hell. Oh yeah, and divorce rate is 50%.

This is also a bad analogy since atheism and agnosticism doesn't exactly relate to being single.

But hey, just like the people that try to convert you, the parents always ask why haven't I got a girlfriend yet...
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:31 PM
 
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It's not possible for the state to be neutral with respect to sports teams. Why? Because sports fans make truth claims. To be neutral towards those claims is, in effect, to be against them.
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:35 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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It's not possible for the state to be neutral with respect to sports teams. Why? Because sports fans make truth claims. To be neutral towards those claims is, in effect, to be against them.
The claims of sports fans are trivial and irrelevant to governance.

The claims of religion are fundamental and essential to government. Example: When does human life begin? Religion answers that question, and the state must legislate on the basis of the answer.
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:38 PM
 
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The claims of sports fans are trivial and irrelevant to governance.

The claims of religion are fundamental and essential to government. Example: When does human life begin? Religion answers that question, and the state must legislate on the basis of the answer.
Religion answers that question as accurately as it answers the questions of the origin of the universe.

As in "not remotely".

Science wins on both.
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:40 PM
 
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The claims of sports fans are trivial and irrelevant to governance.
As are the claims of religion.

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The claims of religion are fundamental and essential to government. Example: When does human life begin?
That is a good question, but I'd say that biology would work a tad better...

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Religion answers that question,
Religion claims to answer that question.

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and the state must legislate on the basis of the answer.
The state must do no such thing. It is perfectly possible to formulate a robust set of ethics without invoking a Supreme Being of any sort.
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