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I believe there are good ideas from both liberals and conservatives. Those who can't appreciate that fact are our true oppressors.
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Originally Posted by CottonJohn
Agreed.
seconded.
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And the republican solution is what? Increase defense spending whether needed or not? Yeah, that's a real plan.
try growing the economy by letting business loose and let them do what they do best, make money. that is something obama isnt doing which is why our growth rates are anemic at best.
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... and yet, people were still wealthy, and we experienced greater growth as a nation. Go figure.
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Its a lot easier to grow a nation of 80 million then 300 million. Kinda like when anew company comes out and says we experianced 100 % growth. Then ya find out before they had 1 customer, now they have 2.
it was a much different time back then. remember we had the strongest economy going by far. we did the manufacturing for the world, and we had the money to run the world. the world came to us for help in keeping their economies afloat. we were a creditor nation. today however we are a debtor nation, much of our manufacturing has gone overseas since the 70s, we borrow more money than we loan out.
in the 50s the business environment was healthy, and oriented to making money. today the business environment is weak, and oriented to dealing with the massive amounts of government regulations.
if we were to unleash the economy, we would experience substantial growth so that we could reduce or eliminate the deficit, and get people back to work.
Come on, you mean you don't want to be associated with the party whose presidential candidate actually came out and admitted to not being concerned about poor people?
The whole Romney quote. "I'm in this race because I care about Americans. I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it. I'm not concerned about the very rich, they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90%, 95% af Americans who right now are strugling."
Way to take a few words out of a quote to twist the meaning against him. Your obama has taught you well. Congrats!
Its a lot easier to grow a nation of 80 million then 300 million. Kinda like when anew company comes out and says we experianced 100 % growth. Then ya find out before they had 1 customer, now they have 2.
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The whole Romney quote. "I'm in this race because I care about Americans. I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it. I'm not concerned about the very rich, they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90%, 95% af Americans who right now are strugling."
Way to take a few words out of a quote to twist the meaning against him. Your obama has taught you well. Congrats!
This quote from a person who was probably totally cool with the "you didn't build that crap", that Faux News deliberately twisted from Obama.
While I can't stand Romney, I knew what he was talking about with the poor quote, but if you really think that means he does care about the poor, you're blind.
This quote from a person who was probably totally cool with the "you didn't build that crap", that Faux News deliberately twisted from Obama.
While I can't stand Romney, I knew what he was talking about with the poor quote, but if you really think that means he does care about the poor, you're blind.
Then prove that Romney doesn't care about the poor with a real quote. Not just a piece of one. Good luck.
Also, I don't need quotes to prove that obama does not care for the poor. His actions, or lack there of, for his own brother speaks volumes. A man who actually quoted scripture saying, "I am my brother's keeper", does NOTHING for his own? obama gives no help to his brother living in Africa in a hut. The hut is so small that George Obama can stand in the middle of his one room and hold out his arms and both hands touch opposite walls. If barak doesn't even care for his own brother, how is he going to care for other poor people. Sad.
There's a difference. Not all democrats were liberal, not all republicans were conservative. Times and parties change over time.
Kind of strange they won't allow a third party, but are willing to allow the parties to spilt. Not sure how this works for either party. Kick them all out and start over......
I'll concede that the Democratic Party is radically different a big part of that being that they abandoned their Southern base, but how is today's Republican Party radically different from the 1860's version? Aside from that Southern base hopping on board.
Well, Joshua, here's my take on the whole thing:
The Republicans today are BIG supporters of states' rights now-much like the southern democrats were for so many decades. The Civil War amendments, the Civil Rights/Voting Rights Acts (rightly) took rights away from the states to determine laws within their own boundaries because the southern states were abusing their powers and taking rights away from their own people. The extreme wing of the GOP--which dominates the party today--I believe are the ideological descendants of the states' rights southern Democrats--with the possible exception of the 13th amendment.
Not only that, but from 1860--1920 the GOP supported other federal measures like the homestead act (What?? Giving immigrants free land?? Handouts! ARE YOU CRAZY??), public education, national parks, food safety laws, the transcontinental railroad (federal infrastructure) and land grant colleges. They were the "big government" party in those days. The GOP's big goverment tendencies continued until the 1950s when Eisenhower authorized the Interstate Highway System--something the GOP would decry as a waste of money today.
I'll grant that the Civil Rights Act was passed along sectional lines, and the Northern Republicans were crucial in passing it--but that was fifty years ago. Once the racist southern Democrats realized they were betrayed, they flocked to a Republican party that was all too happy to welcome them in. As a result, Northern Republicans are the "liberals" and "RINOs" to the extremists, who, as usual, mostly hail from the South.
Now this doesn't mean that southern Republicans today are racist, but opposition to civil rights for blacks was the catalyst that completed the ideological switch between parties.
The crazy thing is, any basic reading of history shows this. You can read party platforms, speeches and bills passed under Republican congresses and presidents, and still the GOP claims to be the "Party of Lincoln" when it is nothing of the sort--and hasn't been for decades.
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Not sure how this works for either party. Kick them all out and start over......
