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View Poll Results: Which President Radically Changed America More?
Abraham Lincoln 31 33.33%
Theodore Roosevelt 5 5.38%
Franklin Roosevelt 33 35.48%
Lyndon Johnson 7 7.53%
Richard Nixon 1 1.08%
Barak Obama 16 17.20%
Voters: 93. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-27-2012, 03:15 PM
 
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It is interesting that no one has voted for or mentioned Richard Nixon who established to of the most "radical" agencies in the federal government, or so I have been told, the "Fascist" EPA and the Occupational Health and Safety Administration. He signed into law the Clean Air Act, and the Endangered Species Act. He proposed a guaranteed minimum income but settled for the earned income tax credit (the law that allows a large number of Americans to be exempt from federal INCOME taxes). And "Opened the Door" to China which in no small part played a significant role in China's industrial and commercial transformation.
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Old 08-27-2012, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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It is interesting that no one has voted for or mentioned Richard Nixon who established to of the most "radical" agencies in the federal government, or so I have been told, the "Fascist" EPA and the Occupational Health and Safety Administration. He signed into law the Clean Air Act, and the Endangered Species Act. He proposed a guaranteed minimum income but settled for the earned income tax credit (the law that allows a large number of Americans to be exempt from federal INCOME taxes). And "Opened the Door" to China which in no small part played a significant role in China's industrial and commercial transformation.
That is yesterday's news. It's only radical if it's happening right now.
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:04 PM
 
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Either way, it has no baring on the thread topic. So I will leave it at that.
It has "no bearing" on the topic of this thread - which is the performance of President Obama - only because it's an embarrassment to the President, and since he's your boy, you don't want to talk about it. The Keystone XL debacle is just another example of the fact that President Obama is not a radical in practice. He's just a poor, weak leader.
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:29 PM
 
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It has "no bearing" on the topic of this thread - which is the performance of President Obama - only because it's an embarrassment to the President, and since he's your boy, you don't want to talk about it.
I been writing about Obama's performance on this forum all the time and I feel absolutely nothing to feel embarrassed about, including this thread which is about Obama's performance within a specific context, i.e., his alleged transformative radicalism. If anyone seems incapable of discussing Obama's performance in this context are those who claim that Obama is the most radical president in American history it is those who made such a charge yet refuse to defend their opinion based upon the context of the thread, yourself most prominently included.

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The Keystone XL debacle is just another example of the fact that President Obama is not a radical in practice. He's just a poor, weak leader.
Excellent, then we can count you as one who does not believe that Obama is the transformative radical.

Thank you for sharing.

PS - Please feel free to open a discussion about Obama's dearth of leadership instead of trying to waylay this one.
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:36 PM
 
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I been writing about Obama's performance on this forum all the time and I feel absolutely nothing to feel embarrassed about, including this thread which is about Obama's performance within a specific context, i.e., his alleged transformative radicalism. If anyone seems incapable of discussing Obama's performance in this context are those who claim that Obama is the most radical president in American history it is those who made such a charge yet refuse to defend their opinion based upon the context of the thread, yourself most prominently included.


Excellent, then we can count you as one who does not believe that Obama is the transformative radical.


Thank you for sharing.

PS - Please feel free to open a discussion about Obama's dearth of leadership instead of trying to waylay this one.
No, I do not believe that Obama is a transformative [sic] radical. I think he's got some pretty screwed up ideas, but his lack of leadership ability keeps him from being a true radical. And - like it or not - that IS "on topic."
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:43 PM
 
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No, I do not believe that Obama is a transformative [sic] radical. I think he's got some pretty screwed up ideas, but his lack of leadership ability keeps him from being a true radical. And - like it or not - that IS "on topic."
My thread, my topic.

PS, (sic) is used to indicate errors in transcription i.e., spelling. If you are trying to imply that word "transformative" was used incorrectly, I refer you to nearest dictionary where you find that the adjective form of transformation is... "transformative."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Transformative

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...transformative

http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...sformative?s=t
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Old 08-29-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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Actually, some of us view Obama more as the second coming of Vladimir Lenin than as Hitler, although he has studied history well and has learned from Hitler, as well as other tyrants. Obama's goals and objectives are to first destroy America and then rebuild it and create a Marxist society modeled on a combination of Euro-Socialism and the old Soviet Union.
haha Thanks for the comedy gold there. Wow, I can't believe the paranoia that some people have. Obama's ideals are nowhere near as socialist as even the least socialist European country. Some people need to turn off the Fox News and think for themselves.
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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haha Thanks for the comedy gold there. Wow, I can't believe the paranoia that some people have. Obama's ideals are nowhere near as socialist as even the least socialist European country. Some people need to turn off the Fox News and think for themselves.
Anytime I hear somebody tell another person to turn off Fox News and think for their self I know it is a brainwashed moron uttering what he has heard other idiots repeating.
GL2
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Old 09-02-2012, 11:31 AM
 
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Anytime I hear somebody tell another person to turn off Fox News and think for their self I know it is a brainwashed moron uttering what he has heard other idiots repeating.
GL2
But I bet they know which is correct, their self or themselves.
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pa
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Obama hasn't doesn't much good for much at all.
Spent more than all presidents put together.
Making us purchase health care.

He's really trying to change us.
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