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Old 08-23-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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My fellow conservatives, Obamacare is hideous, but let's not pretend the health care system doesn't need serious reform. There's a lot right about it and there's a lot wrong with it. We can do better.

Here's a serious proposal from the much overlooked distributist perspective by Prof. John Medaille:

"The current system, consuming 16% of GDP—and rising—is simply unsustainable. Moreover, the great burden it places on our businesses makes us uncompetitive in world markets, as we have discovered in the auto industry. The status quo is no longer an option ..."

In sum, the author proposes reforming the patent protection system, ending oligarchies and monopolies, and reviving institutional medical guilds. I don't feel very competent to pass judgment, even with a degree in economics, but the ideas are worth exploring.

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Old 08-23-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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My fellow conservatives, Obamacare is hideous, but let's not pretend the health care system doesn't need serious reform.
I think the real reform needs to come from within each of us to start exercising more, quit eating so much fat/sugar/sodium and quit blaming other people.
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:18 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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I think the real reform needs to come from within each of us to start exercising more, quit eating so much fat/sugar/sodium and quit blaming other people.
That's important, but hardly comprehensive. Second Law of Thermodynamics, etc.
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:20 PM
 
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My fellow conservatives, Obamacare is hideous, but let's not pretend the health care system doesn't need serious reform. There's a lot right about it and there's a lot wrong with it. We can do better.

Here's a serious proposal from the much overlooked distributist perspective by Prof. John Medaille:

"The current system, consuming 16% of GDP—and rising—is simply unsustainable. Moreover, the great burden it places on our businesses makes us uncompetitive in world markets, as we have discovered in the auto industry. The status quo is no longer an option ..."

In sum, the author proposes reforming the patent protection system, ending oligarchies and monopolies, and reviving institutional medical guilds. I don't feel very competent to pass judgment, even with a degree in economics, but the ideas are worth exploring.

Great-

This is the guy who wants to allow people with little, if any, training to obtain a medical liscence. Why don't we do the same for airline pilots? We just saw the last four years of hiring a president with no training. Do we want novices in medicine? Medicine, to those who are not physicians, seems very easy, as we make it look easy due to years of training and education.

However, I would guarantee that if I put a scalpel in the hands of any one of you and asked you to do some of the things I do, there would be chaos. This is seen time and time again when marginally trained doctors (they at least have SOME training) try to overstep the limitations of their training. Such "adventures" result in patient deaths and mayhem. In our community, we recently had such an episode which went on for three years before the board whacked him.

If you want to go to someone with no training- do it. I, as a physician and occasionally a patient myself, will stick to the good docs with good training.
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim View Post
My fellow conservatives, Obamacare is hideous, but let's not pretend the health care system doesn't need serious reform. There's a lot right about it and there's a lot wrong with it. We can do better.

Here's a serious proposal from the much overlooked distributist perspective by Prof. John Medaille:

"The current system, consuming 16% of GDP—and rising—is simply unsustainable. Moreover, the great burden it places on our businesses makes us uncompetitive in world markets, as we have discovered in the auto industry. The status quo is no longer an option ..."

In sum, the author proposes reforming the patent protection system, ending oligarchies and monopolies, and reviving institutional medical guilds. I don't feel very competent to pass judgment, even with a degree in economics, but the ideas are worth exploring.
IF reform threatens the high profit levels of the health care companies, including big pharma, their well paid lobbyists, a number of them former legislators, so precisely know their way around, will fight it like mad.
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:30 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Great-

This is the guy who wants to allow people with little, if any, training to obtain a medical liscence ... If you want to go to someone with no training- do it. I, as a physician and occasionally a patient myself, will stick to the good docs with good training.
That is to misrepresent what the author is saying.

And be honest, doc - how much of what an ordinary general practice physician actually does in the course of his work is too difficult or dangerous for those with lesser qualifications?
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:33 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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IF reform threatens the high profit levels of the health care companies, including big pharma, their well paid lobbyists, a number of them former legislators, so precisely know their way around, will fight it like mad.
It does, and you're right.

Perhaps health care reform is impossible until our politics is reformed first ...
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:45 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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From the article:

"In addition to insuring their doctors, the guild would offer insurance to the public. That is, they could offer to treat people for a fixed annual fee. This would give the guilds an income stream, but also a great incentive to insure that small problems do not go untreated to become big problems. In other words, such health insurance would actually be concerned with insuring health rather than denying claims. Further, the guilds could be required to devote a certain amount of their resources to free or low-cost care for the impoverished or indigent. The government might play a role here in qualifying people as eligible for such reduced-cost treatment, and could even pay a part of the cost."
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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It does, and you're right.

Perhaps health care reform is impossible until our politics is reformed first ...

Healthcare needs to be reformed. Obamacare does nothing to address the real problem with escalating Health insurance costs and the real problem is escalating health care costs.
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Healthcare needs to be reformed. Obamacare does nothing to address the real problem with escalating Health insurance costs and the real problem is escalating health care costs.
I agree, but what do you suggest? If the response to this OP is any indication, it's no wonder that Obamacare is being foisted on us. No one has any better ideas.

(P.S. Does OP mean "original post" or "original poster"? Thanks.)
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