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TOK's aim is to teach people how to research. PERIOD.
Well, since you felt the need to SHOUT "PERIOD" at me, I simply HAVE to, respectfully, disagree. But let me first begin with an excerpt from a 2007 speech delivered by Mr. Walker:
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Stage 3: global citizenship
Finally, I went on to describe the third stage of international education which I call ‘global
citizenship’. Like any other citizenship, this brings rights and responsibilities. The rights are
enshrined in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights and if this seems
remote to the person in your street, let me suggest that people in other streets have reason to
be grateful (for example) for UNESCO’s Education for All initiative, for the HIV/AIDS
campaign by the World Health Organization, for the Balkan genocide trials at The Hague or
for the UN High Commission for Refugees’ protection, shelter and sustenance during conflict,
famine and disaster. Each of these examples – and there are dozens more – ultimately
derives its legitimacy from the Universal Declaration and the global citizen should do
everything possible to protect those fundamental rights of security, education and health even
if, for most of the time, we are in the happy position of taking them for granted.
You see, I need to keep the imagery of Stage 3 in my mind before I can discuss the concept of TOK itself. The above is what the CEO of IBO believes is integral to an IB education. Becoming a global citizen. As per the UNUDHR.
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Yes there are some philosophical discussions, but at the core it's aim is to teach students how to formulate a good argument and how to know good research from bad research. It's odd that you're politicizing a class that is about how we formulate ideas and how to formulate arguments.
I am not the one "politicizing" IB. IB politicizes itself. See above. With that out of the way, let's see what IB's TOK course is really all about.
Let's begin with this description of the Theory of Knowledge, because it wasn't IBO who happened to dream this up on their own, it originated with Kant and Marx.
So IBO is using a socialist philosophy to frame its "signature", mandatory, Core component of the IBDP. Hmmm.
This is why I believe the IB’s theory of knowledge course is so important
– last year, for example, students were asked to respond to these questions:
· What are the differences between ‘I am certain’ and ‘it is certain’ and is passionate
conviction ever sufficient for justifying knowledge?
· To what extent may the subjective nature of perception be regarded as an advantage
for artists but an obstacle to be overcome for scientists?
How dare these stuffy, elitist, Eurocrats try to shove their smug, pseudo-intellectual, Marxist clap-trap into our public schools when the kids at the cash register can't even make change!
DOUBT IB!
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Then why are we seeing so many irrationally emotional opinion posts from IB proponents in this thread?
Such as? We're not the ones stating that's a leftist conspiracy. I guess the emotional opinions that your are referring to are those that are mocking and show utter disbelief in how people can honestly believe that IB is a piece of propaganda. The irrationality is really coming from those that believe that TOK's aim is to indoctrinate people, yet they most likely have never sat through a TOK course or talked to their children's advisers on their capstone projects for TOK. My project was about how democracy and the free market can aid developing nations in Africa. I took two case studies of Cote d'Ivoire and Kenya and then contrasted those nations to communist nations like Angola and Guinea. If it's indoctrination against the values of America, then they clearly failed since my project got a pretty good score (it was advocating for economic policies that encourage private enterprise and a political system that is akin to ours).
Look, nobody is in favor of dismantling AP/ Honors in favor of IB. People are stating that parents and students should have a choice. I had a choice at my high school. I liked the rigor of IB and the unique courses that I took. That global perspective was important to me. It's not for everyone, however to claim that it somehow undermines America is irrational and emotionally based. To claim that it is a good program that prepares students for college is actually pretty factual.
Irrationality typically does not come from those supporting a well-rounded education.
Shirley you couldn't have missed my detailed post above.
Where is your well researched and reasoned reply to my argument? Is THIS the best you can come up with?
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Such as? We're not the ones stating that's a leftist conspiracy. I guess the emotional opinions that your are referring to are those that are mocking and show utter disbelief in how people can honestly believe that IB is a piece of propaganda
Well, since you felt the need to SHOUT "PERIOD" at me, I simply HAVE to, respectfully, disagree. But let me first begin with an excerpt from a 2007 speech delivered by Mr. Walker:
You see, I need to keep the imagery of Stage 3 in my mind before I can discuss the concept of TOK itself. The above is what the CEO of IBO believes is integral to an IB education. Becoming a global citizen. As per the UNUDHR.
I am not the one "politicizing" IB. IB politicizes itself. See above. With that out of the way, let's see what IB's TOK course is really all about.
Let's begin with this description of the Theory of Knowledge, because it wasn't IBO who happened to dream this up on their own, it originated with Kant and Marx.
So IBO is using a socialist philosophy to frame its "signature", mandatory, Core component of the IBDP. Hmmm.
How dare these stuffy, elitist, Eurocrats try to shove their smug, pseudo-intellectual, Marxist clap-trap into our public schools when the kids at the cash register can't even make change!
DOUBT IB!
Really, I thought I was typing. Isn't good to actually have a broader understanding of the world? Or should be protectionist and isolationist? Shouldn't all humans have rights? Or is that reserved for the few? Is equality for all, socialist? Or is it simply empathetic and mature? I think that you're approaching this from a perspective of nationalistic pride, rather than one that is more inclusive of the world.
Yes you are politicizing it. You are stating that it's "socialist" (a political philosophy), the inference being that it is contrary to the American beliefs that you believe exist.
Also the question "To what extent may the subjective nature of perception be regarded as an advantage
for artists but an obstacle to be overcome for scientists?" is a prime example of how it's a research methods class. Subjectivity is not held in high regard in the sciences, but the contrary is true in the arts. The question aims to teach students how to understand various topics and fields that they may study at the university level.
The question "What are the differences between ‘I am certain’ and ‘it is certain’ and is passionate
conviction ever sufficient for justifying knowledge?" also shows how research is at the heart of TOK. Passion is not justification for knowledge.
The people taking TOK are not the ones that will be making change at the cash register. They're typical the ones managing the corporate offices.
Shirley you couldn't have missed my detailed post above.
Where is your well researched and reasoned reply to my argument? Is THIS the best you can come up with?
God help us.
The previous post was to informed consent. Hence the quotation by "Informed Consent". Please make sure to read the entire message prior to addressing a post. Otherwise your post comes off as a non sequitur and does not make sense in context.
Just like those who refuse to see the merits of the IB program are full of doo-doo and blind as bats.
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Originally Posted by db108108
Were it up to some Conservatives, the US would devolve into a country where folklore and myth serve to educate the people. Keep them stupid, right?
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Originally Posted by Zimbochick
Sadly it's the concepts and language used in the description of IB that is a bit sophisticated for the anti-IB crowd.
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Originally Posted by Zimbochick
Aah, Constitution Tourettes, no surprise.
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Originally Posted by transatlantic
he is only interested in promoting his wacky, right-wing, paranoid conspiracy theories about how the Muslims are increasing his income tax
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
well there you go. I think I have seen it all here. I have seen it compared to hitler jugen, to Ahmadinejad schools, it's been called communist, inferiority, a CULT etc, etc.... They will sling anything they can think of at the school, but hey, if Michelle Bachmann has been told to say it, then it must be true.
And that isn't even halfway through the thread. There's MUCH more.
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Originally Posted by unounehana
Irrationality typically does not come from those supporting a well-rounded education.
You've just seen that it does. Apparently, an IB education isn't all it's cracked up to be. Those posters are severely lacking in understanding and respect for others' views. Not very global of them.
>irrational posts by IB proponents/people who went through the IB program
I see no such thing.
Really? You in your own words...
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Originally Posted by twinArmageddons
Only if you have a lower IQ and take everything at face value.
That was in response to my statement that it's easy to understand that college-level is harder than college prep.
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