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Old 08-25-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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you couldnt pay me enough money to vote for him, EVER. i wont vote for avowed marxists.
I don't ever recall the press release where Obama admits he's a marxist.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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I don't ever recall the press release where Obama admits he's a marxist.
look at how he was raised, his father was a communist, his mentor frank marshall davis was a communist, his mother was a communist, when he was in college he sought out, by his OWN words, the marxists professors, chicanos, and the radicals. and then look at what he is pushing for america, social and economic justice, sounds like karl marx to me. he is also pushing for government ownership or government control of the economy, including the means of production. he is also a shill for the unions. the bailouts and prepackaged bankruptcies for gm and chrysler were not about saving those companies, but rather saving the unions.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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look at how he was raised, his father was a communist, his mentor frank marshall davis was a communist, his mother was a communist, when he was in college he sought out, by his OWN words, the marxists professors, chicanos, and the radicals. and then look at what he is pushing for america, social and economic justice, sounds like karl marx to me. he is also pushing for government ownership or government control of the economy, including the means of production. he is also a shill for the unions. the bailouts and prepackaged bankruptcies for gm and chrysler were not about saving those companies, but rather saving the unions.
So he's not an avowed marxist like you claimed then?
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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So he's not an avowed marxist like you claimed then?
actions speal louder than words. one doesnt have to come out and say they are a marxist, to be a marxist.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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That's the problem, isn't it? Not all Republican's are bat---t crazy, but they'll line up to vote for the crazies anyhow. I guess that's because party loyalty supersedes good sense.
The problem with that is, what is good sense? For many who know that the republican party left them behind also know the Democrat party is also not the answer. Many are still around when the Democrats ran the show several years ago and it was very bad. That is where we find ourselves today, stuck between a two party system that really needs a third.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:05 AM
 
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actions speal louder than words. one doesnt have to come out and say they are a marxist, to be a marxist.
Well that's the definition of avowed... to openly confess.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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look at how he was raised, his father was a communist, his mentor frank marshall davis was a communist, his mother was a communist, when he was in college he sought out, by his OWN words, the marxists professors, chicanos, and the radicals. and then look at what he is pushing for america, social and economic justice, sounds like karl marx to me. he is also pushing for government ownership or government control of the economy, including the means of production. he is also a shill for the unions. the bailouts and prepackaged bankruptcies for gm and chrysler were not about saving those companies, but rather saving the unions.
You do realize that many children of communist learned overtime that it is a defunct form of government? Many saw first hand growing up how bad that system is. As a capitalist country does one seek economic and social injustice? If it did it will find itself defunct also overtime. You should also know the republican in the White House started the bailouts and if McCain was elected he would have done the exact same thing. I'm not a union man but I see nothing wrong with American workers uniting. It's a free country. If a very small group of very wealthy people who contribute millions of dollars to campaigns why is it wrong for groups of American workers to do the same? Not a damn thing wrong with it at all.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:19 AM
 
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You do realize that many children of communist learned overtime that it is a defunct form of government? Many saw first hand growing up how bad that system is. As a capitalist country does one seek economic and social injustice? If it did it will find itself defunct also overtime. You should also know the republican in the White House started the bailouts and if McCain was elected he would have done the exact same thing. I'm not a union man but I see nothing wrong with American workers uniting. It's a free country. If a very small group of very wealthy people who contribute millions of dollars to campaigns why is it wrong for groups of American workers to do the same? Not a damn thing wrong with it at all.
blasphemy!
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Let's face it. The modern-day Republican Party has some real geniuses in it. From Akin's to Bachmann, they're overloaded with crackpots. It's the new "Know Nothing Party," and they don't WANT to know anything because their supporters apparently like electing morons.

I know some of my friends on the right are embarrassed by such a level of stupidity in their party, but the fact is that when you vote Republican, you own them all. They're yours.






"…..And in an on-air plea for sanity,* Joe Scarborough, the former G.O.P. congressman and MSNBC host, said, “I’m just tired of the Republican Party being the stupid party.”* I feel for him.* But don’t expect the reality chorus to grow. For if intelligence were contagious, his party would be giving out vaccines for it…"


The Crackpot Caucus - NYTimes.com
They've driven out anyone with half a brain from the party. "You must be a Republican robot", and its why the party has a negative view by the public.

That "10%" approval rating of congress, has a HELL of a lot to do with the modern Republican party. Of course they'll say its the Senate, but ignoring reality is what they do.

I want to balance the budget. I want to put everything on the table for reforms, adjustments, cuts, revenue increase. Figure out a way to balance the budget in the next 10 years.

But Republicans are telling you a lie, that they are the only ones trying to fix the economy, when they aren't trying to fix a damn thing, except for a social agenda that they consider "holy"

There are some good Republicans left, but they are few and far between. Scarborough is one of them, but he is written off as a "liberal" or a "RINO" because he thinks that exceptions for rape, incest, and mothers help should be there for abortions. He is written off because he wants to cut defense.

The man who was voted as the most conservative member of congress, is suddenly a RINO? Seriously?

Maybe the party has changed? Ever think of that? A lot of folks who used to be called Republican crazies are driven out for not toeing the party line 100%.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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That's some bizarre logic. People aren't allowed to be moderate and vote for a Democrat or Republican on an election-by-election basis? This kind of us versus them thinking does nothing to get our political system back on track.
This . The only way it changes is if reasonable conservatives support reasonable candidates, but refuse to vote for the crazy ones. If the crazies are voted out of power and they lose big, the party can come back with stronger, more rational candidates next time around in those races. That's how most of the moderates I know are approaching it. We need a strong two party system, and a divided government of people with logical but differing viewpoints is good for the country. The only way that's going to change is if the R party is strengthened--not if if the moderates just walk away and leave the party to the nuts. Real change usually comes from within.
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