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Old 08-25-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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Hopefully 3 civilians with full bullets in them were NOT targeted.
Let's hope not, but do you know that these bullets did not hit their intended target?
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:14 PM
 
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How well would you or your average Joe Blow fare when someone is shooting back? Far better, right?
I've never once discharged a firearm. I don't like them (though I'm not a pro-gun-regulation type). My philosophy is more along the lines of "if you have a gun and I don't, you'd better pray to whatever deity you worship that you kill me before I get within melee range of you, because it's all over at that point". So no, I likely wouldn't do very well unless playing a lot of arcade shooter games qualifies me.

However, I also don't proclaim to be a professional that is trained to protect and serve and stay calm under the pressure of bullets whizzing past my head.
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Folks, when you have a gunfight at close quarters with people all around, bullets will ricochet and fragment, and there's obviously a significant risk that not every bullet will hit its intended target. This is not the movies where the superhero can do fancy flips through the air while perfectly hitting a moving target at 30 feet with a handgun and still land with perfect hair.

The cops were in an unfortunate situation and did the best they could. They had to move to apprehend a killer in a public area, and when he pulled on them and fired, they had to return fire. It's not like they wanted that, but what other choice did they have? Just let the guy shoot them to death, or let him go in the first place?
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Let's hope not, but do you know that these bullets did not hit their intended target?
Yes, I realize Barney Fife missed 75% of his shots.
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Fort Myers Fl
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Folks, when you have a gunfight at close quarters with people all around, bullets will ricochet and fragment, and there's obviously a significant risk that not every bullet will hit its intended target. This is not the movies where the superhero can do fancy flips through the air while perfectly hitting a moving target at 30 feet with a handgun and still land with perfect hair.

The cops were in an unfortunate situation and did the best they could. They had to move to apprehend a killer in a public area, and when he pulled on them and fired, they had to return fire. It's not like they wanted that, but what other choice did they have?
Thanks for clearing it up for us. Now back in the real world if you are paid to carry a gun and protect the public you need to know how to use your gun. Firing more than 2 or 3 shots at close range is not knowing how to use that weapon properly.

And if that's the best they could do they need to be replaced. A gun is not a toy, so you don't just play with it hoping for the best. No second chances once the trigger is pulled.
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:36 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Of course, we quickly learn that all of the elite internet commandos at city-data would have dispatched the assailant with perfect accuracy while diving through the air like an artful ninja to avoid the crossfire and maintaining their resting heart rate of 50.
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:37 PM
 
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Here's the point. While police may have had justifiable reasons to shoot the man, did they really need 14 rounds at such a close range? Moreover, they're carrying M4 carbines and all sorts of nasty armament that's more suited to the streets of some war torn city.

If the cops were better trained and less armed, they could have dispatched the man with two or three shots from a pistol caliber rather than spraying him down and injuring bystanders.

These clowns seem to be like 14 year old first person pimply faced kids in a first person shooter game. One starts shooting, so they all spray the target down hootin' and hollerin' because it's so much fun. In just about every incident where police have some type of stand off, they seem to simply pepper the target down with exponentially far more brutal force than's necessary.

As far as a gun control debate, nothing will stop anybody from obtaining a firearm and or improvising a bomb in order to achieve some nefarious goal. For those anti gunners out there, I supposed that you'd have been happier if he'd have jumped into a 1974 F-250 4x4, locked it into 4 wheel drive, and just started plowing down the crowded Manhattan streets killing and maiming along the way because that's ok due to the fact that he didn't use a gun because we all know a gun was only designed to kill and has no useful purpose outside of that unlike the auto which was made for convenience...

As somebody else has already pointed out earlier, it's a shame we're not privy to all the facts due to sensationalism in our media.
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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Yes, I realize Barney Fife missed 75% of his shots.
You have no idea how many shots missed but yet like so many that does not stop you from speaking from a place of ignorance.
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:41 PM
 
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Thanks for clearing it up for us. Now back in the real world if you are paid to carry a gun and protect the public you need to know how to use your gun. Firing more than 2 or 3 shots at close range is not knowing how to use that weapon properly.

And if that's the best they could do they need to be replaced. A gun is not a toy, so you don't just play with it hoping for the best. No second chances once the trigger is pulled.
I mentioned this before also. Lester Gillis was shot 17 times. 6 times in the chest and still returned fire killing an officer and escaping.
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:44 PM
 
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Here's the point. While police may have had justifiable reasons to shoot the man, did they really need 14 rounds at such a close range? Moreover, they're carrying M4 carbines and all sorts of nasty armament that's more suited to the streets of some war torn city.

If the cops were better trained and less armed, they could have dispatched the man with two or three shots from a pistol caliber rather than spraying him down and injuring bystanders.
As I note above. Lester Gillis was shot 17 times and still escaped. You are in no position to judge here from behind your keyboard.
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