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Old 10-02-2012, 06:38 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You can't- medicare DRGs.

This Obamacare bit is a little more tricky than anyone thought. We have now-

1. incentives to let people die outside the hospital, rather than re-admit them

2. cuts in medicare reimbursement, so that the vast majority of offices will no longer take medicare as of Jan 1st.

If you are over 65 and voting for Obama, you are slitting your own throat. You would have to be insane to support these measures.
Exactly. And even though you have already paid into the system for years.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Not in this case. Medicare is going to pay less for the readmittance and also fine them.

But you know what ? Hospitals will get fined even if the readmittance is not their fault (i.e. it was not a preventable readmission).

What percent of readmissions are preventable ? From what I tried to google it's really an unknown with anywhere from 9-50% of readmissions being given.

There are readmissions that are not preventable but the hospitals are going to be charged $125K regardless.
And the chances of that happening are pretty high in high retirement population cities.
You are wrong. The hospitals will be fine if they exceed a certain threshold of readmits for those three conditions. It's probably in some link you yourself posted.

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You do realize the provisoons also don't take into consideration unrelated readmissions. Go in for pneumonia and discharged then two days later fall and break a hip, it counts againts the physician and hospital as a readmission. This is what happens when a group makes laws without including medical specialist input.
You are wrong, too. They are going to fine hospitals that exceed a certain percentage of readmits for threee diagnoses, which I forget at the moment, but which have been posted here before.
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:21 PM
 
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You are wrong. The hospitals will be fined if they exceed a certain threshold of readmits for those three conditions.
And any or all of those "excessive" readmissions may be totally unpreventable. Doesn't matter. The hospital will be fined anyway. That's a hell of an incentive to deny necessary medical care to Medicare patients.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:06 AM
 
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I trust the leadership of President Obama on health issues. If you have President Romney, you won't have a readmission problem because you won't be admitted to begin with. You will be left to die at the door.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:30 AM
 
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I trust the leadership of President Obama on health issues. If you have President Romney, you won't have a readmission problem because you won't be admitted to begin with. You will be left to die at the door.

No one dies at the door.....give me a break. Where I work we have PLENTY of people with no insurance who get the same treatments...
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:18 AM
 
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Limiting readmissions for relapses and/or complications WILL cost lives.

Seniors, you better hope you don't become ill or require surgery after hospitals have already hit their readmissions limit
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Limiting readmissions for relapses and/or complications WILL cost lives.

Seniors, you better hope you don't become ill or require surgery after hospitals have already hit their readmissions limit
...
Seniors are busy dissecting Ryan's plan to "gut Medicare". Rather than worrying about what is happening now, they are all focused on what might happen if Romney gets elected.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:28 AM
 
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Limiting readmissions for relapses and/or complications WILL cost lives.

Seniors, you better hope you don't become ill or require surgery after hospitals have already hit their readmissions limit...

Interesting, isn't it?

I wonder if seniors are just poorly informed? I would think that this information, as well as the $750 billion cuts in medicare, which will prompt MANY practices to drop medicare, would enrage anyone over 65.

With Obama, suddenly your medicare is not worth nearly as much as it was before. Coverage is not worth much if few, if any practices, will see you in the office and if hospitals are trying to let you die at home.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Interesting, isn't it?

I wonder if seniors are just poorly informed? I would think that this information, as well as the $750 billion cuts in medicare, which will prompt MANY practices to drop medicare, would enrage anyone over 65.

With Obama, suddenly your medicare is not worth nearly as much as it was before. Coverage is not worth much if few, if any practices, will see you in the office and if hospitals are trying to let you die at home.
AARP backed all of this and many seniors just follow AARP.
Remember AARP looks out for seniors.......
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:34 AM
 
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AARP backed all of this and many seniors just follow AARP.
Remember AARP looks out for seniors.......
People forget that AARP is a private company. They think it is a govt agency.
Obamacare was great for AARP as they make their money from selling medicare supplement insurance and Obamacare was cutting medicare advantage plans, forcing more people onto traditional medicare and making them by supplemental plans.
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