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Old 10-02-2012, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Medicare patients are screwed... don't dare relapse or have complications from an illness or surgery...
Medicare Fines Over Hospitals' Readmitted Patients - ABC News


Non-Medicare patient readmissions? Fine and dandy.

Medicare patient readmission? NO WAY!!! Too bad you got old; you're screwed.
For medicare it's only for 3 medical conditions...heart attack, heart failure and pneumonia.
For anything else they can be re-admitted with no penalty.
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:55 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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For medicare it's only for 3 medical conditions...heart attack, heart failure and pneumonia.
For anything else they can be re-admitted with no penalty.
Understandable why those conditions would have readmissions within the age 65 and older demographic. Complications from life-threatening illnesses and surgery are not rare at all among that demographic. The problem is in Obamacare's fines to hospitals for readmitting a relapsing Medicare patient or one suffering fom complications that manifest after discharge.

And according to Obamacare, the HHS Secretary can add on to the list of restrictions at any time without Congressional approval.

Non-Medicare patient readmissions? Fine and dandy.

Medicare patient readmission? NO WAY!!! Too bad you got old; you're screwed.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Understandable why those conditions would have readmissions within the age 65 and older demographic. Complications from life-threatening illnesses and surgery are not rare at all among that demographic. The problem is in Obamacare's fines to hospitals for readmitting a relapsing Medicare patient or one suffering fom complications that manifest after discharge.

And according to Obamacare, the HHS Secretary can add on to the list of restrictions at any time without Congressional approval.

Non-Medicare patient readmissions? Fine and dandy.

Medicare patient readmission? NO WAY!!! Too bad you got old; you're screwed.
As medicare goes, so goes most private insurance. They tend to operate by the same regs.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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As medicare goes, so goes most private insurance. They tend to operate by the same regs.
Where are the Obamacare regulations for fining private insurance for readmissions? There aren't any.

Hope liberals aren't too emotionally attached to their older relatives. They're expendable under Obamacare.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:11 AM
 
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Where are the Obamacare regulations for fining private insurance for readmissions? There aren't any.

Hope liberals aren't too emotionally attached to their older relatives. They're expendable under Obamacare.
Insurance companies have their own regs. They use the Medicare regs as their basis.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:17 AM
 
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Insurance companies have their own regs. They use the Medicare regs as their basis.
None have come out with any limiting of re-admissions for the next go round of signing up.
This medicare re-admission penalty has been out there for some time and known.

The purpose of ACA was to get insurance for those that couldn't afford it. How is this helping them ?
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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None have come out with any limiting of re-admissions for the next go round of signing up.
This medicare re-admission penalty has been out there for some time and known.

The purpose of ACA was to get insurance for those that couldn't afford it. How is this helping them ?
Is this part of the ACA or Medicare?

In all the professional literature (nursing) that I read, readmission is a big issue. I say, it's about time that some attention was paid to it by the funding source.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:25 AM
 
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Is this part of the ACA or Medicare?

In all the professional literature (nursing) that I read, readmission is a big issue. I say, it's about time that some attention was paid to it by the funding source.
It's part of ACA. The bill only limits this to medicare and only those 3 conditions.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:36 AM
 
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^^OK. As I said, readmission is a big issue, has been for years. Hospital care is THE most expensive form of health care. It's funny how people who want to lower health care costs all of a sudden object when an attempt is actually made to try to do so. Maybe it takes the threat of fines to get some decent discharge planning going, e.g. visiting nurse, Meals on Wheels or some other food service, etc.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:49 AM
 
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^^OK. As I said, readmission is a big issue, has been for years. Hospital care is THE most expensive form of health care. It's funny how people who want to lower health care costs all of a sudden object when an attempt is actually made to try to do so. Maybe it takes the threat of fines to get some decent discharge planning going, e.g. visiting nurse, Meals on Wheels or some other food service, etc.
Fines across the board, then. All age groups, including Medicaid. Why is Obama specifically targeting seniors who've already paid into the system for restrictions and limits on access to medial care?

Medicaid patients have very high readmission statistics. They haven't paid into the system for years like Medicare patients have, but Obama isn't restricting or limiting their care. He's only cutting off access to medical care for Medicare patients.
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