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Actually, I think it would behoove us to teach ALL of our religious beliefs in school, and allow each student participating in that belief to have a project illustrating their faith. Our tolerance of diversity certainly needs to be strengthened, and just because our religious myths are not based in scientific facts doesn't mean we cannot benefit from examining them.
I love the scientific method and believe it is stronger than any other simply because it opens all theories to peer examination. Perhaps if we opened our religious beliefs to the same examination, we would not have the turmoil we have, now.
Religions tend to be compared and discussed in social studies classes already.
It's kind of hard to accept other religions when most of the monotheistic sects have a very clear "us vs. them," "saved vs. unsaved," "god's chosen v. the others," "infidels v. believers," "heaven bound v. hell bound" theology.
Maybe the religious texts should be more appropriately studied along with Greek, Roman and Native and Norse mythologies already part of the curriculum.... and given the same deference and importance.
religous myth...dont kill..................................science fact ...killing happens
religous myth...dont steal...............................science fact ...people steal things
religous myth...care about your parents............science fact ...todays liberals care about nobody
religous myth...pay taxes of about 10%............liberal science fact ...pay , then pay more..we want it all
yep no confusion there
I don't know what planet you are living on. But it actually would be more like this:
Religious "truth": Don't kill -------------- Religious fact: Kill in the name of religion
Religious "truth": Don't steal ----------- Religious fact: Stealing ok if it profits the church and harms other religions
Religious "truth": Obey your parents ---- Religious fact: If children think for themselves and don't do what you say, disown them
Religious "truth": Pay tithe up to 10% --- Religious fact: God is poor and needs your money to build mega churches.
Most liberals I know are also atheist. Most of them volunteer for organizations that help others, most of them dislike unnecessary taxes and how tax money is used. Conservatives care for nobody but themselves and their ilk, and they love using tax money to fund wars and any other way they can create a larger gap between the middle class and the wealthy class. Conservatives could single handedly bankrupt the country and they would blame it on liberals somehow.
Were secular humanists so convinced of the infallibility of science they wouldn't be compelled to attack those with religious faith.
Where are the attacks? Just talking straight up facts. Quit twisting and lying to support your own agenda. You need to get ready to go vote for Ron Pull. Any time any thing republicans support gets talked about in a debate they always consider it an attack.
If religious people were content to keep their lifestyle choice to themselves, rather than making it the basis for every policy decision ever, or using it as a justification for oppressing others, they WOULDN'T be attacked.
When was the last time people "lashed out against" the Amish? Or the Quakers?
No, the specialness that is the American conservative Christian (or really, any other religion) is a brand of ignorance that wants to spread its tentacles across all fields of academia and personal life in this country. It NEEDS to be confronted before it continues to drive this country into a hole of intellectual backwater that resembles the middle east. Just can't seem to figure out "live and let live."
In other words: Don't want to be attacked, don't start the war. American religious folks, however, are quite adept at tossing molotav cocktails, and then run around screaming that THEY'RE being oppressed and attacked when people try to protect their freedoms from religion's control creep.
So when some leftist idiot mentions their lifestyle choice, whatever it is, you won't have some phony outrage getting attacked (like all lefties on here do) over it? Gotcha...
Given the fact that the country has gone significantly backward culturally and economically over the last 15 plus yrs, sometimes changing things for the sake of change isn't good..... it isn't religion that is causing us to go backward, it is selfishness, materialistic pursuit, loss of cohesive family, degeneracy..... people have gotten away from what made this country great. Sure some religious folks take it too far, but it is insignificant in the direction of the nation, you would have to be a complete idiot to make it out to be the "be all and end all"
Like you guys know anything about "live and let live".... given all the hate attacks of your ilk
Where are the attacks? Just talking straight up facts. Quit twisting and lying to support your own agenda. You need to get ready to go vote for Ron Pull. Any time any thing republicans support gets talked about in a debate they always consider it an attack.
So when some leftist idiot mentions their lifestyle choice, whatever it is, you won't have some phony outrage getting attacked (like all lefties on here do) over it? Gotcha...
When that "leftist idiot" uses HIS/HER "lifestyle choice" to restrict the FUNDAMENTAL rights of OTHERS to live THEIR lives, then you will have a point.
When you're no longer free to marry your opposite sex partner, or when you're told you can no longer worship whatever deity you want, THEN you'll have as much to gripe about. Until then, keep crying them crocodile tears.
Fake martyrs with persecution complexes!
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Given the fact that the country has gone significantly backward culturally and economically over the last 15 plus yrs, sometimes changing things for the sake of change isn't good..... it isn't religion that is causing us to go backward, it is selfishness, materialistic pursuit, loss of cohesive family, degeneracy..... people have gotten away from what made this country great. Sure some religious folks take it too far, but it is insignificant in the direction of the nation, you would have to be a complete idiot to make it out to be the "be all and end all"
Religion has failed America during this same time because it stopped focusing on the positive aspects: Charity, acceptance, love, in favor of "mean Republican Jesus"... nastiness, divisiveness, attacking and demonizing those who don't fit the mold.
It's no secret that the most religious areas in this country lag significantly in social indicators... higher teen pregnancy, porn consumption, abortion, etc. It's also no secret that a lot of disenfranchised and struggling populations toil away whilst going to church/mosque every Sunday.
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Like you guys know anything about "live and let live".... given all the hate attacks of your ilk
LIKE I SAID: Show me where a sect such as the Amish EVER get criticized, even though they are super conservative?
BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRY TO IMPOSE THEIR BELIEFS ON EVERYONE ELSE. They don't start petitions in their state to make electricity illegal. They don't rally at the courthouse to say, "our fellow tax paying Americans shouldn't have equal rights because it goes against our beliefs."
Live and let live.
SHow me a protest EVER where a "leftist" has gone to a church and said, "you should not be allowed to worship!"
THAT's a feature of the "mean nasty" religions that are so prominent and vocal right now.
Americans love to criticize the fact that "moderate Muslims" do not speak out enough against "radical Muslims," yet American Christians who DON'T share the "mean theology" do a real crap job of denouncing the vitriolic, disgusting ignorance that typifies and personifies the "face of American Christendom" today!
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