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"They are hypocrites who support HUGE government spending'. as a conservative, and many of my conservative friends agree, as i said before, you don't know what you are talking about.
In a March 3-6 YouGov poll, respondents were asked whether they wanted to increase spending, decrease spending, or keep spending the same in 16 different policy areas. In only one case, foreign aid, did a majority (72%) of Americans want to cut spending. And some of the most costly programs—like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid—attracted some of the least opposition.
What about when we isolate the views of the Republican base, respondents who reported being likely to participate in a Republican primary or caucus? The results aren’t much different. Consider the figure below, which compares responses among all respondents and Republican primary voters:
Only 17% of Republican primary voters wanted to cut spending on health research. Only 20% wanted to cut Social Security or Medicare. In fact, only 32% wanted to cut Medicaid and only 36% wanted to cut aid to the poor. Majorities of GOP primary voters were willing to cut only four things: unemployment benefits, spending on housing, spending on the environment, and foreign aid.
Support spending cuts in specific areas
Gallup Poll Republican/Lean
Republican
Foreign Aid 63%
Federal Funding for the Arts 56%
Aid to farmers 42%
Homeland Security 38%
Military and National Defense 31%
Anti-poverty programs 46%
Medicare 40%
Education 35%
Social Security 34%
There are many more polls. Here is a hint look them up. Republicans don't want to actually cut government spending. This has been demonstrated over and over again in poll after poll.
Conservatives want to cut fantasy government programs that they believe the wrong kinds of undeserving Americans are getting.
As usual it is the conservative who isn't dealing with reality.
Most of the problems the Tea Partiers rant about started during the Bush years such as the federal deficit ballooning. Also, the two wars cost more than many of the domestic programs Tea Partiers rant about.
How can anyone take them seriously when they condoned the runaway spending of the Bush/Cheney Administration and Republican Congress which in my mind was at least as problematic as the deficit spending under the current administration?
How many times does it have to be said that most Republicans felt betrayed by Bush??? It doesn't seem to compute, in the liberal mind, that we started calling him out in 2007:
The first "Tea Party" event on record was an event for Ron Paul dubbed "Boston TeaParty07" on December 16, 2007
Welcome to the harsh reality that many conservatives and all libertarians hold contempt for political elites equally. A better question would be "why won't liberals call out Obama for doing EXACTLY WHAT THEY HATED ABOUT BUSH?"
Among other things, since taking office Obama has:
- Signed the NDAA into law -- assassinating US citizens w/o trial now legal
- Personally oversaw a 'Secret Kill List'
- Waged war on Libya without congressional approval
- Started a covert, drone war in Yemen
- Escalated the proxy war in Somalia
- Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan
- Will maintain a presence in Iraq even after "ending" war
- Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan
Ran on supporting clean coal, and then started a war on it
- Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries
- Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia
- Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia
- Opened a military base in Chile
- Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports
- Signed the Patriot Act extension into law
- Continued Bush's rendition program
When President Obama announced his plan for a drawdown from Afghanistan this past June, he failed to mention when, exactly, a full withdrawal would be completed. If the Pentagon gets its way, 25,000 US troops may be left in Afghanistan from 2015 until at least 2024.
Why does he get a pass? Because of the (D) in front of his name,
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Originally Posted by Iamme73
This is reality. The tea party was started when President Obama was elected.
How can anyone take them seriously when they condoned the runaway spending of the Bush/Cheney Administration and Republican Congress which in my mind was at least as problematic as the deficit spending under the current administration?
Thinking people never have. Useful idiots for billionaires.
"Do I need to remind you what party controlled congress when the two wars were started" Please do.
Please show us how smart you and tell us who the Senate Majority Leader was.
On second thought I doubt you can find out.
It was Tom Daschle, DEMOCRAT. Who also co -sponsored the bill giving Bush authority.
And EVEN with the prescription drug bill AND the 2 wars, he deficit was DECLINING.
Post fail
Tom Daschle was voted out of office in November of 2002 and the Iraq War was started in March 2003, 2 months after the new Republican Senate majority got sworn in. Oh, and by the way, it was Trent Lott who was the Senate Majority Leader.
In only one case, foreign aid, did a majority (72%) of Americans want to cut spending. And some of the most costly programs—like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid—attracted some of the least opposition.
Republicans (and everybody else who works for a living) have been forced to pay a large chunk of their wages into those programs, for most if not all of their lives, with no ability to opt out of the program and save that money for himself in wiser ways. But when they finally have an opportunity to get some of this stolen money back, inevitably there are leftist fanatics who jump up and announce this means they favor the program.
It's a lot like a guy who has been mugged regularly, all his life. The mugger is finally compelled by law to make restitution and give the guy at least SOME of his money back. These leftist fanatics would jump up and announce that, since the guy agrees to take his money back from the mugger, this means he approves of being mugged in the first place.
It's hard to visualize just how warped these leftist fanatics must be, to reach these conclusions.
And how disingenuous they must be, to assume that normal people will actually believe them.
Last edited by Little-Acorn; 08-29-2012 at 05:27 PM..
How many times does it have to be said that most Republicans felt betrayed by Bush??? It doesn't seem to compute, in the liberal mind, that we started calling him out in 2007:
The first "Tea Party" event on record was an event for Ron Paul dubbed "Boston TeaParty07" on December 16, 2007
Welcome to the harsh reality that many conservatives and all libertarians hold contempt for political elites equally. A better question would be "why won't liberals call out Obama for doing EXACTLY WHAT THEY HATED ABOUT BUSH?"
Among other things, since taking office Obama has:
- Signed the NDAA into law -- assassinating US citizens w/o trial now legal
- Personally oversaw a 'Secret Kill List'
- Waged war on Libya without congressional approval
- Started a covert, drone war in Yemen
- Escalated the proxy war in Somalia
- Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan
- Will maintain a presence in Iraq even after "ending" war
- Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan
Ran on supporting clean coal, and then started a war on it
- Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries
- Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia
- Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia
- Opened a military base in Chile
- Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports
- Signed the Patriot Act extension into law
- Continued Bush's rendition program
When President Obama announced his plan for a drawdown from Afghanistan this past June, he failed to mention when, exactly, a full withdrawal would be completed. If the Pentagon gets its way, 25,000 US troops may be left in Afghanistan from 2015 until at least 2024.
Why does he get a pass? Because of the (D) in front of his name,
and people who don't have a clue
Ron Paul's Boston Tea Party event has/had no relation to the National Tea Party movenment of 2009. Get a clue.
If you want to argue otherwise, please explain why The Tea Party is endorsing Romney(aka. Mr. RomneyCare) while Ron Paul is withholding his support.
Most of the problems the Tea Partiers rant about started during the Bush years such as the federal deficit ballooning. Also, the two wars cost more than many of the domestic programs Tea Partiers rant about.
How can anyone take them seriously when they condoned the runaway spending of the Bush/Cheney Administration and Republican Congress which in my mind was at least as problematic as the deficit spending under the current administration?
LMAO It was. It started in 2007 by Ron Paul when Bush was still in office.
Lower taxes and spending along with bringing the troops home and use that saved money to take care of entitlements at home. Then the stinking republicans saw the big money raised in one day, changed the platform, and turned off the indys and dems who were already on board.
Do I need to remind you what party controlled congress when the two wars were started and when the Medicare Prescription budget busting bill was signed into law? Here's a hint, it wasn't the Democrats.
If memory serves the majority of Democrats voted in favor of both wars. That kind of makes the Democratic party willing partners ie bi partisan.
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