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Old 09-05-2012, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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It should move ahead now that it is not going through the sandhills. TransCanada has always indicated that they would submit a new route, and now they have.

Construction has already begun on the southern portion of the route, and it was just a matter of moving the northern portion of the line from the sandhills to the eastern edge of Nebraska, where there are already several pipelines.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:33 AM
 
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It should move ahead now that it is not going through the sandhills. TransCanada has always indicated that they would submit a new route, and now they have.

Construction has already begun on the southern portion of the route, and it was just a matter of moving the northern portion of the line from the sandhills to the eastern edge of Nebraska, where there are already several pipelines.
Of course it will do nothing significant to the supply of oil, but building the pipe line will provide a couple of years work for a few hundred people. Maybe a dozen or so permanent people for maintenance. That's about it.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:42 AM
 
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Yeah, the job claims have been greatly exaggerated. Industry analysts agree that it will probably create a total of 10,000 jobs that will last approx. 2 years.

Really, I think Obama was right to stand up to TransCan about the original route. The Ogallala aquifer is far to important to millions of people to be potentially compromised by a route through the sandhills.

Oil companies should not just be able to shove something down our throats by using inflated job numbers, and then, when they don't get their way, threaten to sell to China instead. Look where they are at now.......wanting to build the pipeline here under OUR conditions, not theirs.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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Yeah, the job claims have been greatly exaggerated. Industry analysts agree that it will probably create a total of 10,000 jobs that will last approx. 2 years.

Really, I think Obama was right to stand up to TransCan about the original route. The Ogallala aquifer is far to important to millions of people to be potentially compromised by a route through the sandhills.

Oil companies should not just be able to shove something down our throats by using inflated job numbers, and then, when they don't get their way, threaten to sell to China instead. Look where they are at now.......wanting to build the pipeline here under OUR conditions, not theirs.
I think the State Dept estimated 1000-2000 jobs, some of whom are already working on the lower section. The primary exaggeration is from GOP members of Congress.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Obviously Obama was always going to approve the pipeline before the election. The jobs you are counting are only those associated with building the pipeline. It does not count support jobs. Then there are those refining the oil for the next 40 years.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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Obviously Obama was always going to approve the pipeline before the election. The jobs you are counting are only those associated with building the pipeline. It does not count support jobs. Then there are those refining the oil for the next 40 years.
Did you read the OP and the link? The new route has been submitted and has to be approved by the state dept., which isn't expected to be done until early next year. Only THEN can the president approve or disapprove it.

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TransCanada has been working with Nebraska officials to come up with a new route and it hopes to have U.S. State Department approval for the northern section early next year.
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Old 09-05-2012, 01:26 PM
 
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Yeah, the job claims have been greatly exaggerated. Industry analysts agree that it will probably create a total of 10,000 jobs that will last approx. 2 years.

Really, I think Obama was right to stand up to TransCan about the original route. The Ogallala aquifer is far to important to millions of people to be potentially compromised by a route through the sandhills.

Oil companies should not just be able to shove something down our throats by using inflated job numbers, and then, when they don't get their way, threaten to sell to China instead. Look where they are at now.......wanting to build the pipeline here under OUR conditions, not theirs.
Uuh; which oil companies are you complaining about, the one building the pipeline (transcanada) or the ones who precipitated, necessitated, suggested, or pushed for it (U.S.) to be built.

The threatening aspect was the spin the press put on an announcement by Canada that they intended to sell to China in any case. Your refineries and the pipelines cannot possibly handle all of it. The U.S. will get the stuff they contracted to purchase and upgraded some old refineries to handle on the Texas gulf coast. Then they will sell it for export. complaints about oil companies should perhaps be sent to those refinery owners instead. Had they not indicated a desire to purchase the stuff there'd be no market for another pipeline, comprende?

The rest will be sold to whomever wishes to purchase it regardless.
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Old 09-05-2012, 02:10 PM
 
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Uuh; which oil companies are you complaining about, the one building the pipeline (transcanada) or the ones who precipitated, necessitated, suggested, or pushed for it (U.S.) to be built.

The threatening aspect was the spin the press put on an announcement by Canada that they intended to sell to China in any case. Your refineries and the pipelines cannot possibly handle all of it. The U.S. will get the stuff they contracted to purchase and upgraded some old refineries to handle on the Texas gulf coast. Then they will sell it for export. complaints about oil companies should perhaps be sent to those refinery owners instead. Had they not indicated a desire to purchase the stuff there'd be no market for another pipeline, comprende?

The rest will be sold to whomever wishes to purchase it regardless.
Talking about any oil companies that were pushing for this pipeline to be completed using it's original route. I know that the oil in question is not fit for most of the US refineries and will be exported anyway. It is NOT the end-all-be-all solution to reducing our dependence on foreign oil that many want to make it out to be.

Whether it was the media or the oil companies that spun the 'selling to China' story, it was still out there and was often used by others as a scare tactic to try to force the pipeline along the original route.

Now that the plans have been submitted to re-route the pipeline it will probably pass. That is the point of the thread.
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Old 09-05-2012, 02:55 PM
 
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Aaah yes the point of the thread being "change of route = passage" instead of nasty old oil companies and Canada threatening to sell to China. I see that now.

I don't think a rubber stamp will simply follow the change of route.

Firstly; the POTUS will not OK it until after the election as it is better served up as a winner's gift.

Secondly; there needs to be more consideration and review given to Transcan's response to previous spills being lackluster.

Thirdly; facts are now out there about the accuracy of stated job numbers.

Lastly; no one needs to rush this thing as all of the benefits have been thoroughly debunked as not reducing dependance on foreign oil at all but merely normal business for oil companies.
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