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Reality doesn't matter to conservatives. This won't penetrate. I mean job growth isn't the be all and end all. One could still support the Republican party and acknowledge reality. One could say they are voting for the Republican party for other reasons not having to do with the economy.
Instead, what most conservatives will do, is read reality and either ignore it as a liberal conspiracy or tell themselves Presidents aren't responsible for job creation, which an ok position to take, but then your whole platform to get rid of President Obama can't be that he hasn't had enough private sector job creation. Those two directly contradictory thoughts can't exist in a rational mind.
Yup, the reality of the unemployment rate being stuck at 8.3% just isn't going away with us conservatices. Dang it!
Correlation does not prove causation, particularly when many actions in the political arena take years to bear fruit. We also have a Congress which has a bit to do with policies and budgets.
Well lets be fair, the prosperity also had to do with Clinton CUTTING TAXES, and spending, which has me wondering why the hell it matters considering Obama is proposing neither..
In my HO....I feel perhaps the unemployment numbers and how many jobs were taken out of the country or lack of hiring durung a measured time period or gross national product indicators would be a more conclusive way to determine this question of created jobs....
Yup, the reality of the unemployment rate being stuck at 8.3% just isn't going away with us conservatices. Dang it!
That is a legit complaint, but then when presented with the reality that 2 out of 3 jobs created in the last 52 years have been during Democratic presidents, one can't take the position that Presidents have nothing to do with private sector job creation and then still hold that President Obama needs to go because he is responsible for the lack of private sector job creation. Those two thoughts directly contradict one another. They cannot exist in a rational mind.
Correlation does not prove causation, particularly when many actions in the political arena take years to bear fruit. We also have a Congress which has a bit to do with policies and budgets.
That's not the point. The point is that the liberal policies enacted by Democratic Presidents doesn't impede the economy like conservatives claim. The other point is that conservative claims that enacting conservative policies will increase growth has no basis in reality.
This is the point that conservatives will continue to miss. The whole premise of modern day conservatism that greater economic freedom leads to greater job creation has no basis in the real world of this nation's economy.
I thought jobs were a lagging indicator of the economy, and thus, any job creations under Democratic Presidents must be attributed to Republicans and vice versa..
Thats the argument you left wing kooks have been making for YEARS to justify Obamas failed stimulus, so which is it?
Employment lags but it doesn't lag by 4-8 years. More like a year. There was a very steep rise in unemployment at the end of the Bush years and a very, very slow decrease in it during the Obama years, but nowhere near restoration to the previous lows. It's hard to tell whether the long-term trend now is down or up.
If it were so easy for government policies to stop recessions, we would never have them, because no politician wants to be blamed for them. In fact we don't *really* know how to fix them. Stimuluses seem to help a little bit, and fiscal austerity seems to make things worse, but neither will cure or cause them. Huge world wars seem to fix them but at terrible cost. This recession wasn't caused by government policies, unless you count policies failing to prevent the housing bubble and bust and related financial crises (a global phenomenon btw just as this depression is global). Recessions kicked off by bubbles and financial crises are the hardest to get out of, especially if you aren't a 3rd world country that can be bailed out by the IMF. You gotta figure 10 years or so. I'm hoping to get through until 2018 solvent.
Maybe I am daft here, but I think that the economy roars when innovation soars. I think Clinton benefitted from a bunch of internet innovation in the 1990s. Some was bogus, but not all.
Tax cuts (especially at the top) tend to juice up speculative bubbles, but only innovation fuels real sustained job growth.
Innovation has been pretty poor in the USA for a while. Not sure why that is.
That is a legit complaint, but then when presented with the reality that 2 out of 3 jobs created in the last 52 years have been during Democratic presidents, one can't take the position that Presidents have nothing to do with private sector job creation and then still hold that President Obama needs to go because he is responsible for the lack of private sector job creation. Those two thoughts directly contradict one another. They cannot exist in a rational mind.
I had tops as a kid that didn't spin 1/1000th as much as you do
Try not to move the goalposts too much in your flawed arguments
If you manipulate things enough..... who knows you might even have a point
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