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But you benefit from taxes. Think of all those brown people overseas who've been the recipient of U.S. weapons systems and bombs, and NCOs with assault rifles. Those things don't work for free; it requires lots of tax dollars. Moreover, the entire economic system of this country is dependent on taxes as evident in the 2008 bailout of the major banking institutions. Without that bailout, the economic system of this country (and possibly that of the world) would not exist.
You benefit from taxation. It's the cost of living in a society. It's just simple for many people to spend much of their energy and time complaining about it.
i think people are complaining more about the waste of their tax dollars.
the government ships money overseas on pallets (or at least they allege that they did) and cannot find it or account for it.
that is certainly something to complain about.
multiply that by all the government malfeasance and you are going to have a lot of complainers-and justifiably so.
government's only real job (at least as i see it) is to protect the citizens and they are doing a really lousy job at it-we have illegal immigrants streaming across our border (encouraged by our own government)-how many could be dangerous terrorists or ill with some disease we haven't had to waste resources on previously? how would you know? how can you keep your wages up when you have an increasing workforce, through no fault of the citizens? when the supply of labor exceeds demand, you get UNEMPLOYMENT.
we are attacking other countries with drone strikes and innocent people are, in fact, dying-no doubt rendering new "enemies" for us to have to watch out for-as our own rights get more restricted by our own government.
the government is avoiding prosecuting wall street criminals (due to connections, no doubt)-setting a very bad example for future criminal lawbreakers. what was corzine's punishment for stealing? these very real thefts hurt very real citizens, and yet our government turns a blind eye on the corruption/fraud.
that's not the way it is supposed to be for us. we should have a strong defense and NOT be disarming---- while concentrating on making our OWN country better with private sector growth and small business creation.
we should be an economically successful country that others would voluntarily choose to emulate, and that is how you achieve peace and prosperity. (unless you get a leader like obama over there, who tells his people that we have too much and they need to get their "fair share" from us
Based on what's been said, then, it seems that you do indeed benefit from taxation. And that's been my main goal to demonstrate on this thread today. We all benefit from taxation despite our willingness to complain very loudly about it. It does something in our lives and in the cases mentioned on the past few pages, government regulation helps to control some greed among human beings and helps to prevent exploitation--it doesn't contain these things totally, but imagine a system without any gov. regulation.
Taxation is necessary. Unfortunately, our taxes are way too high to provide the necessary services of government. My guess is we could reduce government and taxes by 70% and have all the government we need.
Taxation is necessary. Unfortunately, our taxes are way too high to provide the necessary services of government. My guess is we could reduce government and taxes by 70% and have all the government we need.
My guess is that you`re seriously uninformed. Norway taxes the heck out of their citizens but they`re always high on the list of the most content people on this planet.
My guess is that you`re seriously uninformed. Norway taxes the heck out of their citizens but they`re always high on the list of the most content people on this planet.
My guess is that you`re seriously uninformed. Norway taxes the heck out of their citizens but they`re always high on the list of the most content people on this planet.
didn't we all have this conversation before? if they are so happy, why is their suicide rate higher than ours?
i don't think most americans want to be living in a socialist country nanny state, but i could be wrong.
Could be the days and nights.
My next door neighbor , a Texan, moved back here after years in Norway. Her kids were educated there. DH worked for a major oil company. Conservative and very religious. If the company told her to go back to Norway, she'd be on the next plane. They loved it.
This is the very same argument a Life Long Welfare Leach™ would make.
"What government interference? They give me free food....free medical care.....free cell phones...free housing vouchers.....what interference are you talking about? The government is my lifeline! Not my interference!"
I was talking to an ex navy dreg one day about how I did everything I could to avoid standing in line. He told me that he liked standing in line.
I asked him why.
He said that all his life, every time he stood in line,someone would give something to him.
I now have a much brighter outlook.
I can really relate to democrats, now.
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My guess is that you`re seriously uninformed. Norway taxes the heck out of their citizens but they`re always high on the list of the most content people on this planet.
Actually, the total tax rate in Norway is not significantly higher than a high tax US state. Maybe 2-3 % above New York. What is massivly different is what the citizens get in return for those taxes.
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didn't we all have this conversation before? if they are so happy, why is their suicide rate higher than ours?
i don't think most americans want to be living in a socialist country nanny state, but i could be wrong.
Because the sucide rate in Norway is quite low, actually ?
Suicide rates tend to be higher the further north you go. Summer and daylight affects it, tax rates do not. Norway is a bit of an outlier in this, as the suicide rate is half of the American one at similar lattitudes. Roughly equal to the American rates around middle America.
As for "Socialist nanny state" on comparison, I'd say Norwegains are freer than Americans. The two countries are both free, but its not all the same freedoms, The Norwegian ones thend to be somewhat more...applicable and less theoretical.
Actually, the total tax rate in Norway is not significantly higher than a high tax US state. Maybe 2-3 % above New York. What is massivly different is what the citizens get in return for those taxes.
Norway has an income tax, a wealth tax and a VAT. Taxes are also paid both to the state and the local municipality. In addition, a premium is paid to the social security system to finance public hospitals, medical treatment and various social benefits.
According to Wiki, " The tax level in Norway is among the highest in the world. In 2009 the total tax revenue was 41.0 % of the gross domestic product (GDP)." In the U.S, taxes, as a p% of GDP, is 15-20%. "Of the OECD member countries Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, Italy, France, Finland and Austria had a higher tax level than Norway in 2009. " Sweden and Denmark are ranked No.1 and No. 2 in entrepreneurship, ahead of the U.S.
From that, many expenditures citizens pay out-of-pocket are paid via taxes. The main point is that the standard of living in Norway and the high-tax countries is very high.
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