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Racism is a fundamental feature of American society. When I hear "don't pull the race card" fallacy, I interpret it as the following:
"I'm in denial and/or are utterly ignorant of American history, society, culture, and values and therefore I don't accept the basic premise that race ideology has anything to do with anything with the American experience."
Or, I interpret is as such:
"This is America and everyone is the same because that's what the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution says. If you suffer in this country, it's your own damn fault [i.e. laziness, shiftlessness, ignorance, anger, depression, sickness, mental illness, etc.]."
In any event, the "pulling the race card" fallacy is very similar to "we have to agree to disagree." It's meaningless other than representing that the person making either utterance is uncomfortable with the topic of discussion and wishes instead of continuing to disengage altogether.
Reading comprehension here is severely lacking. To make money in an industry, you have to get hired at a place that people make money. Truck stops no one makes money, that's why you'll see older and overweight people working there.
You have to consider I work in Manhattan and I make money. We are not talking Waffle House, Perkins, or truck stops.
The higher end of service industry in Manhattan isn't often just discriminatory to people because of their hair texture, they're discriminatory in terms of their weight and age. Race is just one of these factors.
Agreed.
After looking over your pictures for the last 20 minutes, I have concluded that you shouldn't have any problem getting good tips, natural hair or not. I have also concluded that, regardless of your actually ability to perform your job, that you would still probably get tipped decently anyway.
Anyway, I haven't seen or noticed this trend to be based on race. Now, I don't know what it is exactly that your service job entails could you elaborate on that. Also, if the job field you are in focuses on looks and is high end, then maybe the patrons prefer a certain look and the establishment is obliged accommodate them. Does it make them racist? I don't think so. Discriminating, yes. But not racist. For example if I get a massage (a completely legal one at a spa), and I get a choice between a man or a woman, I'm going to pick a woman over the man regardless of how brutish she looks.
But outside of this particular subject, yes the phrase "pulling the race card" is highly abused. Surprisingly, it more abused than actually pulling the race card.
This has zippo to do with what I'm talking about, your reading comprehension skills need a good dusting.
So are you talking about some industry where folks might care about people "look" - cause you referred to what I thought were bars and restaurants . . . and I couldn't care less if Bozo the Clown is my wait person as long as he does a good job.
Now, if you are talking about STRIP CLUBS, maybe the way someone "looks" has an effect on what "tips" they get.
Geez for the umpteenth time, this isn't about how your looks pertain to how you get tipped.
It's about the hiring practices of many managers and owners.
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Originally Posted by budgetlord
Server/waitstaff jobs are usually dependent on tip-based services. Restaurants typically pay their employees less than minimum wage, and the employees are dependent on tips. Your complaint is about making less money in the service industry, which is often reliant on tips, and are blaming the color make-up of the staff for how much an employee is or isn't making.
I'm not complaining about how much money I'm making (I'm very happy that I luck out working at places I'm the only black chick on staff), I'm complaining about the fact that people won't acknowledge that the way the industry works in this city a) difficult for many minorities to get a job at a place where they have an opportunity to make decent money b) they have to alter their hair texture to conform.
Geez for the umpteenth time, this isn't about how your looks pertain to how you get tipped.
It's about the hiring practices of many managers and owners.
I'm not complaining about how much money I'm making (I'm very happy that I luck out working at places I'm the only black chick on staff), I'm complaining about the fact that people won't acknowledge that the way the industry works in this city a) difficult for many minorities to get a job at a place where they have an opportunity to make decent money b) they have to alter their hair texture to conform.
People use the "dont pull the race card" because they wish to continue with the practice of racism.
Reading comprehension here is severely lacking. To make money in an industry, you have to get hired at a place that people make money. Truck stops no one makes money, that's why you'll see older and overweight people working there.
You have to consider I work in Manhattan and I make money. We are not talking Waffle House, Perkins, or truck stops.
The higher end of service industry in Manhattan isn't often just discriminatory to people because of their hair texture, they're discriminatory in terms of their weight and age. Race is just one of these factors.
Agreed.
Never worked in a truck stop huh? Trust me miss know nothing about truck stops, 2 hours in one truck stop makes more pure profit than you will ever see in one lifetime and that does not count the profit they make from coffee sales alone. When you get older and wiser and have less attitude and actually know first hand what you are talking about and your comprehension of the differences in each service industry then you can boast how knowledgeable, educated, hireable and in demand you really are.
Geez for the umpteenth time, this isn't about how your looks pertain to how you get tipped.
It's about the hiring practices of many managers and owners.
Okay. There may be truth to your contention that managers and owners like to hire folks who they consider nice looking.
I am in marketing and we constantly search for images of people of color to represent the diversity our companies believe matches their demographic. We rarely use images that have a majority of caucasians in them.
I think managers and owners tend to select wait staff that they feel represents the clientele they are trying to attract.
I think managers and owners tend to select wait staff that they feel represents the clientele they are trying to attract.
I think that this is a cop out and I already typed a response to a similar statement. Like I said, at one of my jobs there is an Irish bartender who used to work at a place I applied to. She told me I shouldn't have bothered because the Irish owner only hires Irish and Eastern European women. This is midtown by Penn Station. Do you think his clientele would give one hoot if there was a smattering of Hispanic or black waitresses in his mix? Give me a break.
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Originally Posted by budgetlord
Server/waitstaff jobs are usually dependent on tip-based services. Restaurants typically pay their employees less than minimum wage, and the employees are dependent on tips. Your complaint is about making less money in the service industry, which is often reliant on tips, and are blaming the color make-up of the staff for how much an employee is or isn't making.
Coffee sales? What is coffee, 2 bucks with unlimited free re-fills? What's 20% on that, 40 cents? I work at bars that charge $13-15 for one drink.
The industry I work in and the industry you worked in aren't even in the same ball park.
Geez for the umpteenth time, this isn't about how your looks pertain to how you get tipped.
It's about the hiring practices of many managers and owners.
The following is purely anecdotal:
I know of one small business owner that has voiced concern about hiring minorities because of concerns that it becomes more complicated to administer discipline, provide constructive criticism/feedback, terminate employment (should that ever become necessary), and basically just run the business. Specifically the fear is that 'the race card' is too loosely played these days and the risk of getting sucked into a PR nightmare (if the business is ever accused of firing/disciplining a minority employee because of race) is real. The person saying this stated that they had seen this happen before - but that is just hearsay. I only bring it up as one possible reason for the phenomenon you refer to.
For what it's worth, this business owner does in fact employ minorities - I guess it is just one of many considerations on the table when it comes to hiring.
(finally, this is not one of those "a friend of mine ..." stories where it's actually me I'm talking about - it is really another person that I know)
I know of one small business owner that has voiced concern about hiring minorities because of concerns that it becomes more complicated to administer discipline, provide constructive criticism/feedback, terminate employment (should that ever become necessary), and basically just run the business.
Sounds like the rationale of someone who just doesn't want to hire minorities. Then accuse minorities who are cognizant of the attitudes of certain hiring manager/owners as "playing the race card" for their acknowledgment of facts.
Reminds me of when Mike the Miz said his uncle told him he couldn't hire black people because he had to protect their business cause they tend to be uneducated in his area. I bet you that very uncle likes to sit on his couch and complain about all the free loading unemployed blacks in the area.
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