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Old 09-09-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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History is not kind to conservatism. Nearly all presidents in the top 10 rankings of both liberal and conservative historians are liberal, and basically all in the bottom rung are conservative.
Baloney. Pure, nonsensical claptrap. Nearly 100 years ago, Woodrow Wilson opened the gates for the old European oligarchs to slip in and take over total control of the nation's life's blood .... our currency and banking system. The mother of all "inside jobs". These banker gangsters then created the boom of the roaring 20's that culminated in the great depression, and along came the next great traitor to the Republic ... the card carrying socialist-communist, FDR to complete the job with his "New Deal". It was classic Hegelian Dialectic, problem-reaction-solution.

Sadly, and almost without exception, the public have been indoctrinated with these historical rewrites about the great presidents and policies of the past, with FDR never far from the top of the list ... when the reality is, he was a total fraud ... pretending to be the champion of the "common man", when he was in reality a Banker's Man, from a banker's background, and one of the greatest traitors of the American Republic in history.

Since then, we've had a succession of banker controlled front men posing as presidents, with only a couple of exceptional ones who each received bullets for their noncompliance. One died, one did not, but he was rendered impotent afterward.

And throughout that time, the public education system has been used to create a populace of idiots who have had the skill of critical thinking "educated" completely out of them. Now, the public doesn't think, they just believe ... they don't question, they just accept ... they don't reason, they just react .... and the television has become the secular alter of truth to be worshiped mindlessly.

Here is the latest version of the great contest between the forces of good and evil ... left and right ... "Liberal" and "Conservative". Show me the big difference:


Romney Obama the Same? - YouTube!

Now, go ahead and put your little jerseys on .... you know, the red ones and the blue ones .... the ones with the little elephants and donkeys, and sit down and watch Obamaromney on television, while they finish the job of encircling us with the barbed wire fences, leaving us trapped in a hellish prison of moral, spiritual, and financial devastation.

Will we deserve our fate? Yes We Will.

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Old 09-09-2012, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Yes, the Republican party has changed.

Imagine what William F. Buckley would think of Rick Perry or Sarah Palin or Mitch McConnell.
It is the Democratic Party that has changed. They used to persecute blacks, now they use them to get elected.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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History is not kind to conservatism. Nearly all presidents in the top 10 rankings of both liberal and conservative historians are liberal, and basically all in the bottom rung are conservative.
That's because Conservatism almost always leads to oppression and corruption. That's why 99.9% of the Western 1st World that ranks with the highest quality of living is not Conservative.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Try quoting a president who expanded federal power and authority of the president while in office.

Taking legally bought property away without recompense and then invading states that had all legal rights of 1861 to leave a union threatening all the state power without law.

Lots of founding fathers believed that smaller government and stealing from the rich is bad. On one hand I don't think they would feel that an equal tax rate is fair. On a second point most if not all of them expanded spending and taxes in one way or the other and over stepped the constitution over interpretation.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Hyrule
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"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."

[http://www.ratical.org/corporations/Lincoln.html]
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Regardless of who said this, truer words haven't been spoken. This country is living proof that a democracy is impossible.
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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Regardless of who said this, truer words haven't been spoken. This country is living proof that a democracy is impossible.
I wouldn't agree with that.



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Baloney. Pure, nonsensical claptrap.
The Murray-Blessing 1982 survey interviewed both liberal and conservative PHD historians on presidents. I'll only comment on the political ideologies of presidents after 1900, to avoid controversy.

Liberal:

1. Lincoln
2. FDR [liberal]
3. Washington
4. Jefferson
5. Teddy Roosevelt [liberal]
6. Wilson [liberal]
7. Jackson
8. Truman [liberal]
9. LBJ [liberal]
10. Adams

Conservative:

1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR [liberal]
4. Jefferson
5. Teddy Roosevelt [liberal]
6. Jackson
7. Truman [liberal]
8. Wilson [liberal]
9. Eisenhower [moderate-conservative]
10. Adams


Then, they were asked to list their bottom seven.

Liberal:

30. Coolidge [conservative]
31. Pierce [<1900, but an ardent states' rights southerner...]
32. Buchanan [<1900, but an ardent states' rights southerner...]
33. Andrew Johnson [<1900, but an ardent states' rights southerner...]
34. Grant
35. Nixon [conservative]
36. Harding [conservative]

Conservative:

30. Carter [liberal]
31. Nixon [conservative]
32. Peirce [<1900, but an ardent states' rights southerner...]
33. Andrew Johnson [<1900, but an ardent states' rights southerner...]
34. Buchanan [<1900, but an ardent states' rights southerner...]
35. Grant
36. Harding [conservative]
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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"Sixty percent of the quotes attributed to me on the Internet are made up."
Abraham Lincoln
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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"Conservatives are idiots"

Jesus Christ
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Republicans want to force their ideals on the electorate with regard to religion and abortion.

Democrats want to force their ideals on the electorate with regard to forced redistribution of wealth, homo marriage, firearms ownership, and punishment of business and success and a host of other issues.

Take your pick...I regard Republicans as the lesser of two evils.
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Yes, the Republican party has changed.

Imagine what William F. Buckley would think of Rick Perry or Sarah Palin or Mitch McConnell.
Ah, Mr. Wm. Buckley would have loved to rip them to shreds verbally.(except for palin bcs theres no challenge to that)

Would have been amusing to watch Perry on "Firing Line".


Independents and swing voters Hate Romney. In Tenn alot of Ron Paul/ swing voters are angry, and like Gary Johnson.

The pablum from the GOP is not being accepted this year.
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