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Old 09-08-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Equal protection of the laws.... So civil unions that would cover legal issues such as estates and benefits don't count? It still doesn't say "marriage" and that there should be a law for it. I can see how it can be open to interpretation by the sitting government though.
What I quoted is referred to as the "Equal protection clause". It is as significant as the Bill of Rights. It was cited in Loving v. Virginia to strike down state laws against mixed race marriages.

I do believe that the SC will strike down laws against gay marriage in the coming session (which is why anti-gay marriage proponents are pushing a constitutional amendment), but I also agree that churches should not be (and won't be) compelled to marry people that they choose not to marry. Civil marriage is an option in every state. When I lived in Germany, church marriages were ceremonial only. If you wanted a legal marriage you did it downtown. If you wanted a church "blessing", you had a church wedding, but still needed to go downtown.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Hutto, Tx
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What the guy said was not powerful, he was just mad and b*****.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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Romney didn't skirt it or bob or weave it. Wow. This gay man is bold and hateful at the end. Romney is clear on where he stands.. unlike Obama who moves all over the place on the issues including marriage.. Obama has no core of principles. At least with Romney he is clear on his platform. God Bless Mitt Romney.
I would bet romney assumed the man would share his views when he was first asked. the man becoming more adamant does not make him hateful and bold.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Hutto, Tx
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What I quoted is referred to as the "Equal protection clause". It is as significant as the Bill of Rights. It was cited in Loving v. Virginia to strike down state laws against mixed race marriages.
I'm certainly no law scholar, so I could certainly do with a little brushing up in constitutional law, but I do remember learning about that. Thanks for the reminder. But anyway, I'm mixed opinion on this issue first, because of my Christian and Conservative leanings and secondly, because I have a gay cousin who I love dearly and don't want to seeher or her partner have any problems should they face seperation by death or problems should they become ill.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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What I quoted is referred to as the "Equal protection clause". It is as significant as the Bill of Rights. It was cited in Loving v. Virginia to strike down state laws against mixed race marriages.

I do believe that the SC will strike down laws against gay marriage in the coming session (which is why anti-gay marriage proponents are pushing a constitutional amendment), but I also agree that churches should not be (and won't be) compelled to marry people that they choose not to marry. Civil marriage is an option in every state. When I lived in Germany, church marriages were ceremonial only. If you wanted a legal marriage you did it downtown. If you wanted a church "blessing", you had a church wedding, but still needed to go downtown.
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I'm certainly no law scholar, so I could certainly do with a little brushing up in constitutional law, but I do remember learning about that. Thanks for the reminder. But anyway, I'm mixed opinion on this issue first, because of my Christian and Conservative leanings and secondly, because I have a gay cousin who I love dearly and don't want to seeher or her partner have any problems should they face seperation by death or problems should they become ill.
definition of "marriage" is subjective. the legal benefits should be the same for all who do marry, same sex or not.
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Greater Washington, DC
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The Supreme Court will so rule in the coming year or so and this issue will be put to rest (about as much as abortion, I suppose).
The part in parentheses is probably key in that statement
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Old 09-08-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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I'm certainly no law scholar, so I could certainly do with a little brushing up in constitutional law, but I do remember learning about that. Thanks for the reminder. But anyway, I'm mixed opinion on this issue first, because of my Christian and Conservative leanings and secondly, because I have a gay cousin who I love dearly and don't want to seeher or her partner have any problems should they face seperation by death or problems should they become ill.
I think this is why the opinions on gay marriage are changing. Almost everyone knows, respects and/or loves someone who is gay and wants the best for them. Kudos to you for recognizing it.

FWIW, I thought both Romney and the veteran handled the interview well. Romney was straight-forward and the veteran was polite. Of course he was more passionate about the issue than Romney-it affects every aspect of his life.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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What the guy said was not powerful, he was just mad and b*****.
Wow, that's how you feel about an elderly vet? Your showing a lot of class...
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Old 09-10-2012, 04:50 PM
 
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I saw no awkwardness whatsoever in Romney. He stated his views and the other guy didn't like it. He's entitled to not like the answer he got, but I would also say to that man that nowhere in the constitution does it say anything about gay marriage rights or even things about gay lifestyles. That man is old enough to know that not everyone will agree with him, nor should they be forced to.
It is indicated all mean are created equal, and have the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and by allowing same sex marriage or equal rights to gays is not forcing you to do anything. Romney is going to lose anyway.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Romney didn't skirt it or bob or weave it. Wow. This gay man is bold and hateful at the end. Romney is clear on where he stands.. unlike Obama who moves all over the place on the issues including marriage.. Obama has no core of principles. At least with Romney he is clear on his platform. God Bless Mitt Romney.
LOL, Romney changes sides on issues more time than a ball changes court sides at the US Open, you really should educate yourself more about YOUR candidate. Obama changed his mind on gay marriage, which was something most of his supporters also agree with, he has not said he would change anything though did he.
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