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Old 09-08-2012, 01:09 PM
 
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Are there any moderate Republicans? I've yet to encounter one, other than Bill Clinton and Barack Obama (didn't actually meet them).
I think they're calling themselves Independents these days, and even moderate Democrats. They're still around, just not welcome in the Republican party any more.
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Old 09-08-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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So the GOP goal of plutarchy will not necessarily lead to fascism, you are saying?
I see no evidence that there is a a goal of "plutrachy" at least, no more than any US Govt since it was established.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:16 PM
 
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"The Nazis were strongly influenced by the post-World War I far-right in Germany, which held common beliefs such as anti-Marxism, anti-liberalism, and anti-Semitism, along with nationalism, contempt towards the Treaty of Versailles, and condemnnation of the Weimar Republic for signing the armistice in November 1918 that later led to their signing of the Treaty of Versailles.[28] A major inspiration for the Nazis were the far-right nationalist Freikorps, paramilitary organizations that engaged in political violence after World War 1 "



"Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name as Hitler at the time instead preferred to use "Social Revolutionary". Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined "socialism" as meaning a commitment of an individual to a community. Hitler also claimed that unconditional equality of opportunity for all "racially sound" Aryan males was the essence of the "Socialism" of "National Socialism". Initially, Nazi political strategy used anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric. This was downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support of industrial owners, and it shifted more to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[17] Nazism favoured private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class differences. The Nazis outlawed strikes by employees and lockouts by employers, because these were regarded a threat to national unity. Instead, the state controlled and approved wage and salary levels."
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Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good.
The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).
We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.
We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard of religion or race.
We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.
In order to make higher education—and thereby entry into leading positions—available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped.
The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievement of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.
non-German newspapers require express permission from the State for their publication. They may not be printed in the German language
Public Interest before Private Interest.
If that's what you think far-right is, I'd like to know what you think far-left is.

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To see the last Marxists in this country take refuge in a morality of intentions, will remain, for those who like to laugh, one of the century’s best jokes.
Jacques Julliard

That quote was in reference to communist calling Nazis evil while being responsible for ten times the number of deaths as Nazism.

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When an idealist has committed crimes for 80 years and refuses to be called a criminal, because of his original intention, one can only conclude that intention is to blame.
Chantal Delsol
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Murika
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I wonder if the Socialists Hitler put into Dachau considered him a Socialist?

I'm going to go with 'no'.
Don't let those little problematic facts get in the way. It said "socialist" on the party label, therefore it MUST have been socialist.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:49 PM
 
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No, I think that honor belongs to this thread:

//www.city-data.com/forum/26002956-post1.html
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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This was an interesting article on the Republicans:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/05/bu...ixon.html?_r=1
I voted for that Republican "liberal" and would vote for him again today (if he were alive and a bit younger!!).
Most of the current batch of Republicans, who have or might run someday....no way (a couple of the exceptions would be Buddy Roemer and Jon Huntsman).
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:53 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Lightbulb What is the likelihood that the Republican Party will succeed in bringing full-on Fascism to the United States?

Acting on their own, the GOP couldn't get it accomplished.

Working together with unlimited funding from their corporate owners, they could get it done, but it'll take time.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Famed British novelist and prominent Fabian socialist H.G. Wells called for "Liberal Fascism," saying "the world is sick of parliamentary politics."

Another literary giant and Fabian socialist, George Bernard Shaw, also expressed his admiration for Mussolini -- as well as for Hitler and Stalin, because they "did things," instead of just talk. In Germany, the Nazis followed in the wake of the Italian Fascists, adding racism in general and anti-semitism in particular, neither of which was part of Fascism in Italy or in Franco's Spain.

Even the Nazi variant of Fascism found favor on the left when it was only a movement seeking power in the 1920s. W.E.B. DuBois was so taken with the Nazi movement that he put swastikas on the cover of a magazine he edited, despite complaints from Jewish readers.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The likelihood is 0% that they could do it.
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Old 09-08-2012, 04:00 PM
 
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Given the current far-right extremist state of the Republican Party, its tactics of voter suppression, efforts to subjugate government to corporate capitalism by defunding it, including destroying the social safety net, cutting taxes for the rich while increasing military spending, attacking labor unions in order to destroy the political power of the middle and working classes; do you think it likely, or unlikely, that they will succeed in turning the United States into a fascist state? Or do you think they would settle for plutarchy, if they were to seize control of the Senate and Presidency?

They obviously want plutarchy, but would this lead to fascism?
Yeah, I don't think you understand what fascism means. Here is Merriam Webster's definition of fascism..,

" a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."

The collective vs the individual? Centralized autocratic government? Economic and social regimentation?

The Nazis operated under a government of National Socialism. By the way, under the Nazi regime, Germany had universal healthcare.

So, basically my point is... You have no idea what you're talking about.
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