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The only thing that really counts, since we can't apparently hook up the candidates with a lie detector test while they emote oh so eloquently, is their actual record via their voting history.
How does it make sense (and this is a serious question, as perhaps I'm missing something) that one person can vote this way and talk about values???
NO on expanding the Children's Health Insurance Program
NO on regulating tobacco as a drug
YES on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime
Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC
YES on banning gay adoptions in DC
YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad
NO on environmental education grants for outdoor experiences
....source: ontheissues.org
Paul Ryans History by the way...
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The only thing that really counts, since we can't apparently hook up the candidates with a lie detector test while they emote oh so eloquently, is their actual record via their voting history.
How does it make sense (and this is a serious question, as perhaps I'm missing something) that one person can vote this way and talk about values???
NO on expanding the Children's Health Insurance Program
NO on regulating tobacco as a drug
YES on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime
Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC
YES on banning gay adoptions in DC
YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad
NO on environmental education grants for outdoor experiences
....source: ontheissues.org
Paul Ryans History by the way...
There is no interest like self interest.
You obviously only listed issues you are interested in.
You obviously only listed issues you are interested in.
LOL. For what it's worth, I have no kids. And no, actually, those are not the only issues I'm interested in, however, I thought it would be a good place to start.
Did you have any information that would help me understand his position so that I can see if there's something I'm missing or were you just looking to reply with a quick, dismissive, and not very sharp barb?
It was a serious question, if I really need to spell it out for you.
How though, does it make sense to vote against so many things that would seem to help children, while saying the sanctity of life is all important?
What I mean is what I've heard others allude to (if not spoken outright)....get the fetus born, but to take care of it is another matter. If you are (and I mean the general you, or in this case, Ryan) a pro-life person, stating life begins at the moment of conception, then to me, logic would dictate that there is an obligation to be sure of the childs' safety. Even something as simple (at least to me) as outlawing booze/cigs *might* help...
How though, does it make sense to vote against so many things that would seem to help children, while saying the sanctity of life is all important?
What I mean is what I've heard others allude to (if not spoken outright)....get the fetus born, but to take care of it is another matter. If you are (and I mean the general you, or in this case, Ryan) a pro-life person, stating life begins at the moment of conception, then to me, logic would dictate that there is an obligation to be sure of the childs' safety. Even something as simple (at least to me) as outlawing booze/cigs *might* help...
The difference is that liberals think the government should take care of us and conservatives think we should take care of ourselves. It is up to parents to take care of their children that they brought into the world. An exception would be children that are orphans and don't have anyone to take care of them, but that is a rare case.
LOL. Well, doesn't time in office have something to do with that? If quantity counts I guess, but I'm seriously NOT sure Romney is the way to go....and that's why I posted this. I want to hear serious thought -- as a life long 'liberal, mostly independant, mostly anti republican', I've been searching....
The difference is that liberals think the government should take care of us and conservatives think we should take care of ourselves. It is up to parents to take care of their children that they brought into the world. An exception would be children that are orphans and don't have anyone to take care of them, but that is a rare case.
Yes! See that is what I'm saying, it just appears that by standing for pro-life in the one arena, they (folks that are anti abortion no matter what) are forcing potential parents to be setup to fail. I despise the thought of abortion as a form of birth control, but in voting to refuse federal funds to help women and young girls have safe abortions (in the case of rape, and dangers to mother etc) it seems counter intuitive. I don't want the government to take care of, or dictate morality (i.e. abortions), but in this specific situation, republicans want to 'take care' of moral decisions on abortion, but then refuse help after the fact. Many children and young women at risk here, that will not be able to provide...and if we say it's required to put "God back into schools" that is also taking care of kids...their spiritual needs. Right wrong or indifferent, it just seems illogical to me. The flip side, I also think socialism is something that can NOT be "pick and choose" so the Obama themes sometimes seem the same way to me.
They all want to intercede in peoples lives, just in different areas....and very probably, for different reasons.
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