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Old 09-12-2012, 06:25 PM
 
Location: North America
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Libertarians believe you DID build that and deserve to reap the rewards of your hard work and risk taking.

Statists believe in supporting the lazy.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:14 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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You have no idea what you're talking about.

Libertarianism and anarchism ARE NOT the same things.

That is exactly like when "progressives" call republicanism "Nazism".
The official Libertarian Party platforms states that they desire a life without interference from government or ANY authoritarian power. That is the very definition of anarchy. So it would appear that Libertarians are nothing more than closet anarchists. Like Democrats who pretend to be "liberal" or "progressive" when they are neither.

Calling Republicans "NAZIs" is ridiculous on its face. The official GOP platform does not call for a socialist fascist state or the elimination of the Jews. Unlike the official Libertarian Party platform, which does advocate anarchy.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:17 AM
 
Location: North America
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The official Libertarian Party platforms states that they desire a life without interference from government or ANY authoritarian power. That is the very definition of anarchy. So it would appear that Libertarians are nothing more than closet anarchists. Like Democrats who pretend to be "liberal" or "progressive" when they are neither.

Calling Republicans "NAZIs" is ridiculous on its face. The official GOP platform does not call for a socialist fascist state or the elimination of the Jews. Unlike the official Libertarian Party platform, which does advocate anarchy.
*sigh*

O.K. here is the ACTUAL definition of anarchy:

Anarchy | Define Anarchy at Dictionary.com

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confusion and disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith. It was impossible to find the book I was looking for in the anarchy of his bookshelves. Synonyms: chaos, disruption, turbulence; license; disorganization, disintegration.



And the misunderstanding of libertarianism continues...
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:53 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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This is where me and you libertarians are different. You don't have a problem with it, and I do and that is why I dislike libertarianism. Of course none of this matters because there is no chance in hell you'd ever get somebody voted in. As I said before, I don't think you guys are misunderstood, I just think most people don't buy into your politics. You got too much infighting going on with regular conservatives and extremist right now, but your party makes the tea party look sane.

Wow, you couldn't be way more off base than with that statement. And when I said "it may" it doesn't mean that I condone it or think that it is OK. But the way I look at it, money talks, and if someone is going to discriminate against me for whatever reason then guess what? I'll take my money elsewhere!

And finally you said a Libertarian won't ever get voted in? Hmmmm... does Gary Johnson ring a bell? He was the former governor of New Mexico?
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:58 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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And the end game of your philosophy is mass starvation, and a police state. Statists should really look into the law of unintended consequences. You think it's evil that I want to live in a society that's voluntary, that requires the consent of the governed and no man may initiate force against another. You say "private property" like it's some laughable concept. It's the main concept that keeps our society running. You have zero respect for property or man in general yet you hide behind the guise of "compassion" and you go on and on about how you "care" so much. Yet you believe in using the boot heel of Uncle Sam and the gun of the state to force people to allow anyone on their property. You can either have a free society with private property or you can have slavery but you can't have both.
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Capital Hill
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Hey, I'm glad that you shed some light on this. But libertarianism is misunderstood by libertarians as well. It IS an offshoot of the socialist movement, believe it or not.
Actually, your wrong. Libertarianism is an offshot of Ayn Rand's 'Objectivism'. Ayn Rand was born in St. Petersburg, Russia, in 1905. She knew what the 'Socialist Movement' was all about. She experienced first hand what an overbearing government does to people. She wrote books like 'Atlas Shrugged' and 'The Fountainhead' plus other books. She predicted what was going to happen in the world and she predicted what would happen with the d'RAT party of today. She predicted the United States would have a Socialist dictator like Comrade Barrack Houssain bin O'bummer and the outcome of his policies in
'Atlas Shrugged'. I read all of her books myself in my youth and became a devout Libertarian at one time after reading her books. Infact I voted for Ron Paul, who was the Libertarian canidate for president at one time, -until I realized that a thurd party never wins and always causes the very wurst of the two party system to get elected. I still get Ron Paul's monthly newsletters. He was the financial advisor that recommed the gold standard and advised us to get into gold in the 1980's when gold was selling for $300/oz. However he made his mistake when he said it would go up to $900/oz. Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. It's now up to $2,000/oz. Some financial advisors are now predicting gold as high as $5,000 and even $10,000/oz. if Comrade O'bummer remains in power. (If Romney is elected, sanity in government will once again reign and gold will probably drop back down to $300/oz.)
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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Wow, you couldn't be way more off base than with that statement. And when I said "it may" it doesn't mean that I condone it or think that it is OK. But the way I look at it, money talks, and if someone is going to discriminate against me for whatever reason then guess what? I'll take my money elsewhere!

And finally you said a Libertarian won't ever get voted in? Hmmmm... does Gary Johnson ring a bell? He was the former governor of New Mexico?
I should have been more clear, I meant to be president.
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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Wow, you couldn't be way more off base than with that statement. And when I said "it may" it doesn't mean that I condone it or think that it is OK. But the way I look at it, money talks, and if someone is going to discriminate against me for whatever reason then guess what? I'll take my money elsewhere!

And finally you said a Libertarian won't ever get voted in? Hmmmm... does Gary Johnson ring a bell? He was the former governor of New Mexico?
I'm speaking from the standpoint of racism. You wouldn't get rejected services because you are white. please don't tell that blacks can do it also because I highly doubt whites are running to black businesses in the first place. In certain cases, taking my money somewhere may mean that I'm not getting the best service or treatment or education.
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:26 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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I'm speaking from the standpoint of racism. You wouldn't get rejected services because you are white. please don't tell that blacks can do it also because I highly doubt whites are running to black businesses in the first place. In certain cases, taking my money somewhere may mean that I'm not getting the best service or treatment or education.

Nevertheless, it is not up to you to tell a person how to run their private business. And that is where you and I disagree. You cannot legislate someone elses thoughts or beliefs (no matter how narrow minded they are). And using the government's boot to do it is tyranny! If I for example own an establishment, and you come in, I will treat you as if I would any other customer, with respect, courtesy, and being sales minded will more than likely try to make small talk as well. However; act a fool, make a scene, and disrupt my business in any way shape or form, PEACE OUT! I make no distinctions when someone is being an a-hole!

And furthermore how do you know for a fact that whites don't go to black run businesses? I worked as a DJ in a night club where 99% of the clubs patrons were black! Did it for 2 years! It was one of the best clubs I ever worked at from a DJ standpoint because the dance floor was always packed! And yes there were white patrons.
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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Nevertheless, it is not up to you to tell a person how to run their private business. And that is where you and I disagree. You cannot legislate someone elses thoughts or beliefs (no matter how narrow minded they are). And using the government's boot to do it is tyranny! If I for example own an establishment, and you come in, I will treat you as if I would any other customer, with respect, courtesy, and being sales minded will more than likely try to make small talk as well. However; act a fool, make a scene, and disrupt my business in any way shape or form, PEACE OUT! I make no distinctions when someone is being an a-hole!

And furthermore how do you know for a fact that whites don't go to black run businesses? I worked as a DJ in a night club where 99% of the clubs patrons were black! Did it for 2 years! It was one of the best clubs I ever worked at from a DJ standpoint because the dance floor was always packed! And yes there were white patrons.
you are right, we can't legislate your thoughts or beliefs, but we sure can legislate your actions. You can be the most racist, homophobic person in this country, but the government can tell you not to deny me services, or you have to have quotas. I don't care about your belief, I just care how you treat me.
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