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Old 09-12-2012, 06:59 AM
 
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The Muslims will not be happy with the world until everyone walks around wearing a sheet, the women are covered from head to toes in sheets and everyone lives in a mud hut....
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:04 AM
 
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Richard Dawkins, a famous atheist went to Palestine to interview an ex-Jewish from New York who moved to Gaza and became a Muslim. According to the Muslim guy (along with other things he said about Non-Muslims), he said: " There would be no 9/11 if there were no "State of Israel ".

Is it true what he is saying? Because of the American support of Israel, that's why they attacked us


Richard Dawkins interviewing a Muslim guy - YouTube

Bin Laden was pissed we went into Kuwait after Saddam Hussein invaded it. That's why 9/11 happened.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Totally wrong. From the horse's own mouth, he said it was Israel's destruction of Beirut and our support of it.



Read more: Bin Laden Claims Responsibility for 9/11 | Fox News
longer than that

remember the attack at the 72 olympics??? Jamal Al-Gashey(of the terrorist group Black September)(jordanian palistinian)(a sub terrorist group of the PLO) is still in hiding




"Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:52 AM
 
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Yes, it's true. It's not that simple, but it's essentially true.

Without the establishment of Israel, everything in the ME since 1948 would be different. I have no way to know whether it would be better or not, but it's certain that 9/11 would not have happened as it did.

In 1948 the Joint Chiefs told President Truman that recognizing and helping Israel would damage our national security and threaten our oil supply, but as we know, the fool didn't listen.
Yep. It really is that simple.

As it turns out, there are consequences for callous or uninformed or outright stupid decisions. Who knew?
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Old 09-12-2012, 10:25 AM
 
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The Muslims will not be happy with the world until everyone walks around wearing a sheet, the women are covered from head to toes in sheets and everyone lives in a mud hut....
They still won't be happy as proven throughout the Middle East because they don't like the way other Muslims worship and will kill them too.
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Old 09-12-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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Your tactic of smearing Israel's critics as anti-Semitic doesn't work any more; we don't really care if you call us that. Why do you keep repeating it?
Considering Muslims killing Muslims is be far the largest problem in the Middle East I don't know why you and others are so concerned with Israel. Do you really think if Israel disapeared today there would be any less killing in the Middle East?
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:40 AM
 
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Since the former USSR also supported the establishment of Israel it probably would have been created even if the USA had not supported at the time.
That's possible, but by no means certain. But you do have a point; a point which, alas, is lost on the right-wingers who are unaware that Israel not only was founded by various Marxist factions but survived in part because they were equipped with Czech arms.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:40 AM
 
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Yes, it's true. It's not that simple, but it's essentially true.

Without the establishment of Israel, everything in the ME since 1948 would be different. I have no way to know whether it would be better or not, but it's certain that 9/11 would not have happened as it did.

In 1948 the Joint Chiefs told President Truman that recognizing and helping Israel would damage our national security and threaten our oil supply, but as we know, the fool didn't listen.
oh??? really????

The Society of the Muslim Brothers , "the Muslim Brotherhood", Founded in Egypt in 1928 as a Pan-Islamic, religious, political, and social movement by the end of World War II the MB had an estimated two million members. The Brotherhood's credo was and is, "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

or even before....Sayyid Jamāl-ad-Dīn al-Afghānī (1838 – March 9, 1897),two principals ;
that European imperialism, having conquered India, now threatened the Middle East

and that Islam, despite its traditionalism, was an effective creed for mobilizing the public against the imperialists
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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longer than that

remember the attack at the 72 olympics??? Jamal Al-Gashey(of the terrorist group Black September)(jordanian palistinian)(a sub terrorist group of the PLO) is still in hiding
Osama bin Laden was 15 in 1972; he would've been an unusual young man to begin masterminding 9/11 at the time, although it's possible.

He also never had any connection to Black September or any other subset of the secular PLO.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:49 AM
 
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The Society of the Muslim Brothers , "the Muslim Brotherhood", Founded in Egypt in 1928 as a Pan-Islamic, religious, political, and social movement by the end of World War II the MB had an estimated two million members. The Brotherhood's credo was and is, "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
Yes, and in 1924 there were 6,000,000 American members of the Ku Klux Klan. But that statistic alone doesn't tell you everything you need to know about the social fabric of 1920s America.

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or even before....Sayyid Jamāl-ad-Dīn al-Afghānī (1838 – March 9, 1897),two principals ;
that European imperialism, having conquered India, now threatened the Middle East

and that Islam, despite its traditionalism, was an effective creed for mobilizing the public against the imperialists
Yes, so what? The man had a point, didn't he? Perhaps the problem at the time was imperialism, rather than the specific forms of resistance to it?
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