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Old 09-11-2012, 08:46 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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The 19th amendment, in retrospect, was clearly a mistake - for some of the reasons made by the OP, and for others more pertinent to the media age we live in. The male franchise was a good proxy for heads of household in those days. Unfortunately that proxy is no longer as accurate, so it makes more sense today to limit the franchise to heads of household, many of whom will be women, as I proposed here.

 
Old 09-11-2012, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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Wow love how you criticise the parent who actually stuck around and raised your ungrateful butt. What did you say about your daddy again? Oh that's right he wasn't around. Why is that? Of course the world was a super awesome place when men controlled everything and now that women are more than their personal spittoons the world is going to end.

The majority of the worlds problems were created by men without the input of women. Also just so you know the majority of the worlds criminals...dictators...terrorists...greedy bankers etc are men.

Maybe we should put some restrictions on men having the vote.
 
Old 09-11-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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Funny how the OP hasn't shown any proof that the country was perfect before women started voting.


Women may have started voting but holding office and wielding power was still in the hands of white males. They sure sucked at it ... and the OP can't face it that men were such failures. It's scary for Tiny Men With Tiny Penis' to think women may do better than men.


Women are more emotional?


What percentage of male politicans have affairs as compared to the percentage of female politicans?


How many men, on being divorced or kicked out by their girlfriends , come back pouting with a gun or knife and kill her and their kids. Guy in Wisconsin slashed the throats of his three young daughters cause the poor little weak baby didn't like his wife divorcing him...ya, no emotion there....he probably was afraid to be alone....
 
Old 09-11-2012, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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Look, my mother was the hardest working person I've met. In fact, I worked alongside my mother for many many years, and I loved it. In fact, she loved house remodeling, loved power tools, and didn't mind getting dirty.

I wish more than anything she were still alive today, because I have all these ideas for business concepts, and she would be the first person I would call if I needed someone I could count on and who was smart, and would do things correctly.

I love my mother more than anything in this entire world. But, I still think she was a closet socialist. Which is blame based on instinctual feelings and behaviors that come from being a mother. Which in my later years, I felt did more harm than good in a lot of ways. But she couldn't stop wanting to help people, because she cared about them. I told her that she needs to just cut them off, or they'll never grow up. And that by trying to help them, she is actually hurting them. But she just couldn't help herself.
This hard working woman was so smart yet not smart enough to vote? Her life would have had more meaning if she had helped less people?
 
Old 09-11-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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You know, Redshadowz, I was just thinking the exact same thing, except, instead of women, I was wondering about whether letting older people vote is a mistake. Obviously, the life expectancy when the founders wrote the constitution was much shorter - I highly doubt they had intended for people to keep voting so long after the world has passed them by, and they're left with nothing but their ignorant prejuidices against, oh, I don't know, women voting, for example. So that seems like a much more pressing question for me.

But then I think, wait a second! What am I doing? If I'm honestly considering that it would be a moral good to disenfranchise large swathes of my fellow voters, in what sense do I love America, and Americans? In what sense to I value democracy, or in what sense am I patriotic? How am I anything other than a traitor to America and her ideals? I then I feel ashamed for even considering it, and I keep my mouth shut and don't post to citydata about my obviously anti-American ideas.
 
Old 09-11-2012, 10:05 PM
 
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Just a sample of their thinking:

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Young men are waking up and throwing off their chains. They're refusing to enable feminism, socialism or liberalism any more. And when enough Atlases shrug, the whole thing will come crashing down. Whether some naysayers think they're "misogynistic" is irrelevant, because women don't decide the future; men do.

The b**ches are running wild. It's time to bring in the dogcatchers.
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/hbd-human-biodiversity/who-cares-what-women-think/

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But among conservatives a consensus is forming that women were better off when they didn't have the vote. The notion does not seem to be based on the premise that women don't deserve the vote, mind you, but that it is extraneous to their real interest, which is to live in a pre-feminist society.
http://www.alternet.org/story/149871/10_historical_'facts'_only_a_right-winger_could_believe?page=0%2C4

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Bias is not a good thing. Right? We all agree on that, don’t we?

People and candidates for public office should be judged on the basis of their ideas, stance on the issues, character, experience and integrity, not on the basis of age, race, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion or disability.

Therefore, we must repeal the 19th Amendment. Yes, the one granting suffrage to women. Because? Well, women are biased.
http://www.lvrj.com/blogs/mitchell/Time_to_repeal_the_19th_Amendment.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/26/1124351/-Only-one-role-for-women-in-Randian-Revolution

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The argument of the chapter is, that women favor the Left; that increasing feminization of society is therefore bad for conservatism; that such feminization is in fact happening; and that therefore We Are Doomed.
http://thecampofthesaints.org/2011/05/03/offend-a-feminist-the-case-for-repealing-the-19th-amendment/

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Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, a tea party activist that’s appeared several times on Fox News, and founder of an organization where Sean Hannity serves as an advisory board member, said in a sermon recently published to YouTube that America’s greatest mistake was allowing women the right to vote....
“I think that one of the greatest mistakes America made was to allow women the opportunity to vote,” Peterson says. “We should’ve never turned this over to women. And these women are voting in the wrong people. They’re voting in people who are evil who agrees with them who’re gonna take us down this pathway of destruction.”
My favorite comment under the article:

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these two quotes from Elizabeth Cady Stanton still hold true:

"The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of woman's emancipation."

&

"When those who are opposed to all reforms can find no other argument, their last resort is the Bible. It has been interpreted to favor intemperance, slavery, capital punishment, and the subjection of women;"
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/05/08/the-next-front-in-the-war-on-women-repealing-the-19th-amendment
 
Old 09-11-2012, 10:25 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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THANKS for those sources!!!

It's so stunning to me that at this point in time, there are people who think like this out there and that they manage to get a foothold anywhere. But, they do.
Sources? As a reference librarian, I am offended that you'd refer to those as "sources" (they're mostly opinion pieces, fringe sites & blogs) - and as a Libertarian woman, I'm offended that anyone believes these views are consistent with our core beliefs. Crazy people are crazy, no matter what they call themselves.
 
Old 09-11-2012, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Obama seems to agree with your conclusion. If women are the majority voter and they may be this year then Obama will promise them more social programs and free BC and abortions. Just what he is doing. President Sugar Daddy.
What a disingenuous post.
Were abortions not offered under any other president? Really, just since Jan 2009?
Janelle, that would mean you want abortions, too. Who would have known!!
Your jesus fellow would have offered social programs, wouldn't he?
Birth control is part of insurance that we pay for...
You don't want abortion and you don't want social programs.
How christian of you.

Janelle, are you going to give up your vote?
Or are you, as part of the christian taliban, just proposing that for other women, those who don't agree with your stance?

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Well back then it was still a crime to murder unborn children in the womb. We sure have come a long way baby, haven't we? I think those women were the radicals in the movement.
And back in the US when it wasn't a crime.
Did making abortion a crime stop abortions? No, it just killed a lot of women who had other kids.
From your posts, it seems that you wish harm on women who don't behave as you would like them to.

A handshaking relationship with reality is a good thing!
What pathetic posts.

Last edited by chielgirl; 09-11-2012 at 11:03 PM..
 
Old 09-11-2012, 10:28 PM
 
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THANKS for those sources!!!

It's so stunning to me that at this point in time, there are people who think like this out there and that they manage to get a foothold anywhere. But, they do.
Actually it is not so stunning. It is predictable. Historically the worse economies get the more people look for a scapegoat population to blame. Most of the time it is evil Joos who are blamed. We see that in this forum often enough With the OP and an accomplice in this thread, or the others in the links, it is women and their vote.

As the global economy continues to fail and the world becomes more unstable totalitarians will become more vocal in condeming their scapegoats. History repeats itself similarly just prior to every depression leading to a world war.
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