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Old 09-12-2012, 11:40 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Yesterday, on the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks against the United States, the U.S. Embassies and consulates in both Egypt and Libya were attacked. And now comes the news that the U.S. Ambassdor to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, was killed by the armed invaders.

This wasn't "just another American" who was killed, though that would certainly be bad enough.

These people killed the U.S. Ambassador to Libya. Among others.

Am I the only one who finds this to be a monstrous act, worse even than the armed invasion of U.S. sovereign territory (the embassies in Egypt and Libya)? (An invasion which, as I have pointed out elsewhere, is worse in turn than an armed invasion of a U.S. coastal city.)

Any invasion of U.S. territory is, as is agreed by all civilized countries, an act of war. An invasion of a U.S. Embassy is even worse - embassies are to be held inviolate, so that even the warring powers can continue diplomatic relations in hopes of stopping the war. Without intact, functioning embassies and consulates, there can be no negotiations, no terms, and no surrender - there literally would be no channels for communication, nobody to surrender to, with no possible end to the war except the complete destruction, capture, and annihilation to the last man, of one (or both) sides.

Deliberately damaging or destroying the embassy, means that those doing the destroying have descended into barbarism, having no interest in stopping the killing, no desire to negotiate, no interest in redressing grievances, EVER. And the killing of the Ambassador, is worst of all, for obvious reasons: They are systematically breaking the chain of negotiation. And only persons higher in the chain, is SecState and the President himself.

Invading an embassy and killing the Ambassador, means that the invaders aren't making war for the usual purpose a nation makes war (collecting loot and/or forcing their victim to change national policy). The invaders are simply bent on complete, unending destruction.

To put it mildly, they should be careful what they wish for.

BTW, has either of the currently-reigning governments in Egypt or Libya, condemned these attacks and declared they would arrest, prosecute, and punish those who carried them out?

I have heard of no such statements from either government, though that could change. But has it?

This lack of any such condemnation, is even more ominous than the attacks and murders themselves.

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U.S. Ambassador Killed in Libya - NationalJournal.com

U.S. ambassador to Libya J. Christopher Stevens and three other embassy staff were killed in an attack in Benghazi on Wednesday, the White House confirmed on Wednesday.

The Americans were targeted in an attack in their car, trying to move to a safer venue away from the violent protests that erupted at the U.S. Consulate, Reuters reported.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Excellent points. Why should we, or anyone else, negotiate with a leaderless violent mob? Even if we wanted to, who would we negotiate with? and how?
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:54 AM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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When they hopped the fence it was an invasion on an American soil.

There should be a declaration of war, but Obama is going to continue bowing down to the Muslim Brotherhood.

He started it by supporting the Arab Spring, he should finish it.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It would be an act of war if the attack was carried out by an foreign nation, but it is not an act of war when it is carried out by a bunch of vandals like in Egypt, or violent radicals like in Libya. See the difference. Would it be an act of war if a bunch of green-peace activists tore down the flag at the Japanese embassy to protest whaling?
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Excellent points. Why should we, or anyone else, negotiate with a leaderless violent mob? Even if we wanted to, who would we negotiate with? and how?
We are not negotiating with the protesters.
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:59 AM
 
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Just this morning I was talking with my wife about this. It is an act of war, I too agree.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
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When they hopped the fence it was an invasion on an American soil.

There should be a declaration of war, but Obama is going to continue bowing down to the Muslim Brotherhood.

He started it by supporting the Arab Spring, he should finish it.
Declaration of war AGAINST WHO? Against the protestors?

If an OWS idiot breaks a window at the Russian embassy, should Russia declare war agains the US? Are you kidding me?

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Old 09-12-2012, 12:05 PM
 
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If I spray painted a mosque in the United States, I would be paraded on tv as a monster, and have every hate crime written charged against me. Yet Americans are killed at an American embassy, and the silence from Washington is deafening.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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If I spray painted a mosque in the United States, I would be paraded on tv as a monster, and have every hate crime written charged against me. Yet Americans are killed at an American embassy, and the silence from Washington is deafening.
You just aren't listening, or are you deaf? US ambassador Chris Stevens killed in Libya - live updates | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If I spray painted a mosque in the United States, I would be paraded on tv as a monster, and have every hate crime written charged against me. Yet Americans are killed at an American embassy, and the silence from Washington is deafening.
You're not up to date on the events are you ?
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