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Old 09-17-2012, 06:26 AM
 
Location: North America
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gave us a democratic form of goverment in the middle east, much more than I can say for all the monarchies and dictatorships that muslims have in the sandbox.
How can another country "give" us democracy in the Middle East?

I was under the impression that the United States existed solely on the North American continent and the South Pacific.

 
Old 09-17-2012, 06:58 AM
 
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Well, it's given the McCarthyites a new target for their paranoia and hatred since the decline of COMMUNISM!



Nope. theyy are too busy dealing with it's resurgence.
 
Old 09-17-2012, 07:04 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Nope. theyy are too busy dealing with it's resurgence.
Yeah, I forgot, the Walmart lot is usually busy when I drive by.
 
Old 09-17-2012, 07:11 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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You miss the point, anti-american feelings majority of the times comes from the policies that America has made with Isreal against the Palestines or any other group that is against them. If we were fair to the Palestines many of the things in the middle east would not occur.
If the so-called "Palestinians" would quit their terrorist attacks agains Israel and Muslims would leave Jews alone (and Christians as well), we wouldn't have a "Middle East Crisis."

The problem in the Middle East is Islam, and the Muslim Brotherhood. Period.

To end WWII and save thousands of American lives we dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This brought Japan to it's knees, and they surrendered.

We should do the same now. That's my solution. One bomb should do it. Take one of our stealth bombers out of MO, and hit Libya. I think we would see an end to this murderous madness of raging Muslim mobs.
 
Old 09-17-2012, 11:16 AM
 
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You miss the point, anti-american feelings majority of the times comes from the policies that America has made with Isreal against the Palestines or any other group that is against them. If we were fair to the Palestines many of the things in the middle east would not occur.
So the ambassador in Libya was killed because US helps Isreal? Will you EVER wake up? What about savage attacks on Hindi people in those parts of the world? Also because Isreal? And the terror against Christians in Nigeria or Egypt? Also because of the occupation?
Anyway, whatever the reason may be, why feed enemies even $1 in aid? And then question what Isreal has done for America, not why we helped Libyans against Qaddafi or helped remove Mubarak in Egypt..
The daily massacres in Syria are also because Israel as well as Sudan's killings.
Is there a point when you'll accept that that is the Muslim culture and the reasons are only excuses for their behavior?
 
Old 09-17-2012, 11:30 AM
 
Location: USA
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So the ambassador in Libya was killed because US helps Isreal? Will you EVER wake up? What about savage attacks on Hindi people in those parts of the world? Also because Isreal? And the terror against Christians in Nigeria or Egypt? Also because of the occupation?
Anyway, whatever the reason may be, why feed enemies even $1 in aid? And then question what Isreal has done for America, not why we helped Libyans against Qaddafi or helped remove Mubarak in Egypt..
The daily massacres in Syria are also because Israel as well as Sudan's killings.
Is there a point when you'll accept that that is the Muslim culture and the reasons are only excuses for their behavior?
True that bro! When Muslims in the Middle East stop killing Muslims, they can ***** about Jews Christians and Hindus.
 
Old 09-17-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So the ambassador in Libya was killed because US helps Isreal? Will you EVER wake up? What about savage attacks on Hindi people in those parts of the world? Also because Isreal? And the terror against Christians in Nigeria or Egypt? Also because of the occupation?
Anyway, whatever the reason may be, why feed enemies even $1 in aid? And then question what Isreal has done for America, not why we helped Libyans against Qaddafi or helped remove Mubarak in Egypt..
The daily massacres in Syria are also because Israel as well as Sudan's killings.
Is there a point when you'll accept that that is the Muslim culture and the reasons are only excuses for their behavior?
You're so right. The ignorance of most Americans about Islam is astounding.

Islam is the problem in the Middle East, and the Muslim Brotherhood was promoted to power by Barack Obama's policies. The Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization that seeks to establish Sharia throughout the Muslim world, and even the non-Muslim world, including the United Sates of America.

Hilliary Clinton's closest advisor is Huma Abedin, a Muslim woman with strong family ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, and also the Sisterhood. Apparently, there are also other members of the Brotherhood in high places in our government as well.

Their intent is the Islamization of America by civilization jihad, or infiltration into our government and society. Sharia has already been encroaching on our legal system, and we have at least one Supreme Court Justice that supports Sharia as part of U.S. law.

Islam is described by Muslims not so much as a Religion, but as a way of life.

Muslims believe it is their duty to convert the entire world to Islam, and this by whatever means. The end justifies the means.

Contrast this with Christians who share the Gospel with unbelievers, but the non-Christians have a choice. Upon hearing the Word, they can accept, or reject, and we won't kill them if they reject it! Sometimes this is a long process. I was well into my 30's before I accepted Christ as savior. I had had Christian friends prior to that, but I ignored their message.

Muslims believe it is the highest honor and they will be rewarded by Allah with 70 (or 72, or 73, I forget) virgins for martyrdom. Now, ask yourself, why would a God who condemns fornication on earth offer it as a reward in heaven?

Muslims also believe in "honor killings." We have been seeing more and more right here in America, where a Muslim man will murder a family member (child, wife) for "dishonoring" Islam. This could be a teen girl (and often is) for dressing "too Western."

Muslims hate Jews and Christians alike, referring to both as "pigs." And, there "holy book," the Quran instructs them to "kill the infidel" where ever you find them (all non-Muslims).
 
Old 09-17-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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Not sure about America, but the NY retirement fund has investments in Israel.
 
Old 09-17-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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I think it's a sad premise that a friendship should be based on what one party does for another. However, I did find this to be interesting:

Middle East, foreign relations: How Israel benefits the U.S. - Los Angeles Times

"Israeli contributions to U.S. national interests cover a broad spectrum. Through joint training, exercises and exchanges on military doctrine, the United States has benefited in the areas of counter-terrorism, intelligence and experience in urban warfare. Increasingly, U.S. homeland security and military agencies are turning to Israeli technology to solve some of their most vexing technical and strategic problems.

This support includes advice and expertise on behavioral screening techniques for airport security and acquisition of an Israeli-produced tactical radar system to enhance force protection. Israel has been a world leader in the development of unmanned aerial systems, both for intelligence collection and combat, and it has shared with the U.S. military the technology, the doctrine and its experience regarding these systems. Israel is also a global pacesetter in armored vehicle protection, defense against short-range rockets, and the techniques and procedures of robotics, all of which it has shared with the United States.

In missile defense, the United States has a broad and multifaceted partnership with Israel. Israel's national missile defenses — which include the U.S. deployment in Israel of an advanced X-band radar system and the more than 100 American military personnel who man it — will be an integral part of a larger missile defense spanning Europe, the eastern Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf to help protect U.S. forces and allies.

Israeli-developed defense equipment, some of which benefited from generous U.S. aid, now used by the U.S. military include short-range unmanned aircraft systems that have seen service in Iraq and Afghanistan; targeting pods on hundreds of Air Force, Navy and Marine strike aircraft; a revolutionary helmet-mounted sight that is standard in nearly all frontline Air Force and Navy fighter aircraft; lifesaving armor installed in thousands of MRAP armored vehicles used in Iraq and Afghanistan; and a gun system for close-in defense of naval vessels against terrorist dinghies and small-boat swarms. Moreover, U.S. and Israeli companies are working together to produce Israel's Iron Dome — the world's first combat-proven counter-rocket system.

Counter-terrorism and intelligence cooperation is deep and extensive, with the United States and Israel working to advance their common interest in defeating the terrorism of Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda and its affiliate groups, and preventing nuclear proliferation in the region. There are joint Special Forces training and exercises and collaboration on shared targets.

This intimate relationship reinforces overall U.S. intelligence efforts by providing Washington with access to Israel's unique set of capabilities for information collection and assessments on key countries and issues in the region. Such was the case, for example, when Israel passed to the United States conclusive photographic evidence in 2007 that Syria, with North Korean assistance, had made enormous strides toward "going hot" with a plutonium-producing reactor."
 
Old 09-17-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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Nothing in the Constitution. The spirit of America has been developed as one of individual freedom and liberty. Liberals, on the other hand, are for restriction of freedom and individual liberties for a bigger and more oppressive government. Liberalism is the antithesis of liberty.

Americans have ALWAYS supported like minded peoples around the world who value individual freedom and liberty. It is our heritage (see WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf Wars I and II).

To oppose such a view IS "delusional", but expected of a liberal. Liberals have come to embrace the words of Stalin and seek totalitarianism, rather than individual freedom. That is the heritage of liberal America.
No freedom for Palestinians that live in Israel. I read they discriminate against them quite a bit.
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