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Old 09-17-2012, 06:30 PM
 
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He's not. Several have had to deal with an economic crisis when taking office. Yet has any other handled it worse? Has any other whined and blamed others his entire time in office?

3 plus years later and the outlook is still poor, economy is sputtering, 23 million or more jobless, high number on disability/welfare/foodstamps, gas prices high, little drilling on federal land, war on coal, no closer to energy independence, $16 TRILLION in debt.

What exactly has he done to make anything better? We are not better off and he's currently laughing and joking on the campaign trail. He's still blaming others and has offered up nothing on what he will do different now that his first term leaves us in a battered mess.

Not the first to start with a mess, but possibly the worst to ever handle it. Tell your friends, family, neighbors all this. They won't hear it from the media who defend and campaign for him.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:03 PM
 
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It's been said over and over again that this is the worst recession in American history besides the great depression. You can't lump allall recessions together as if they are identical.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:06 PM
 
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FDR dealt with it...........thats why we have the problems we have today
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:07 PM
 
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Q: Why do you keep flailing away at strawmen?

A: Because it's all you've got.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:44 PM
 
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He's not. Several have had to deal with an economic crisis when taking office. Yet has any other handled it worse? Has any other whined and blamed others his entire time in office?

3 plus years later and the outlook is still poor, economy is sputtering, 23 million or more jobless, high number on disability/welfare/foodstamps, gas prices high, little drilling on federal land, war on coal, no closer to energy independence, $16 TRILLION in debt.

What exactly has he done to make anything better? We are not better off and he's currently laughing and joking on the campaign trail. He's still blaming others and has offered up nothing on what he will do different now that his first term leaves us in a battered mess.

Not the first to start with a mess, but possibly the worst to ever handle it. Tell your friends, family, neighbors all this. They won't hear it from the media who defend and campaign for him.



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Old 09-17-2012, 07:54 PM
 
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He's not. Several have had to deal with an economic crisis when taking office. Yet has any other handled it worse? Has any other whined and blamed others his entire time in office?

3 plus years later and the outlook is still poor, economy is sputtering, 23 million or more jobless, high number on disability/welfare/foodstamps, gas prices high, little drilling on federal land, war on coal, no closer to energy independence, $16 TRILLION in debt.

What exactly has he done to make anything better? We are not better off and he's currently laughing and joking on the campaign trail. He's still blaming others and has offered up nothing on what he will do different now that his first term leaves us in a battered mess.

Not the first to start with a mess, but possibly the worst to ever handle it. Tell your friends, family, neighbors all this. They won't hear it from the media who defend and campaign for him.
lets say for the sake of arguing that we agree with you. The suggestion is to go back to the same policies under bush? You guys aren't suggesting anything new. I'm only 30, but republicans have been wanting to end entitlements, lower taxes for the rich, give tax breaks for corporations, privatize medicare and make sure the military is drowning in money since before I was born. What exactly is it that they are going to do that we haven't seen before or heard before.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:00 AM
 
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lets say for the sake of arguing that we agree with you. The suggestion is to go back to the same policies under bush? You guys aren't suggesting anything new. I'm only 30, but republicans have been wanting to end entitlements, lower taxes for the rich, give tax breaks for corporations, privatize medicare and make sure the military is drowning in money since before I was born. What exactly is it that they are going to do that we haven't seen before or heard before.
First off, Romney is not Bush. And you know as well as I do, that Bush alone didnt cause this. We know for a fact that some things Clinton did played a part, the those refusing to reform the Mortgage stuff ignoring clear warnings played a huge part. But nooooo, you and the media and other liberals don't want to talk about that. It is easy enough for you to just say "It's Bush's fault".

Barack's policies are in place now. It was Barack who said he could turn things around and get things moving again. It was Barack who said if were weren't further along by this time, than he doesn't deserve another term.
Giving Barack another term will do nothing to revive the economy, jobs, food costs, energy costs, the list goes on.
And as I said, name another President who started with a crisis who constantly whined and blamed instead of doing?

Romney/Ryan, while not perfect, have enough economic senses within them to get things moving quickly again. Barack has shown, he does not.

Romney isn't going to come in and give wealthy some big cuts in taxes. He wants to keep the tax breaks in place. And we do need more tax breaks for corporations/businesses. We do need to reform the tax code, which Barack will not do. We do need to deal with Medicare, which Barack will not do. We do need to expand drilling on Federal Land which Barack will not do. Barack has helped add thousands and thousands of more regulations that will cripple growth.

If this is the best Obama could do with 3 1/2 years, than it is time for a change. Because things are not going to get much better if we give him another term. In fact, they will get worse. Nearly every sector has major problems right now. WE ARE ON THE WRONG TRACK. And it is time to stop blaming everyone else because you failed.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:02 AM
 
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Q: Why do you keep flailing away at strawmen?

A: Because it's all you've got.
And what exactly do you have? Support for a President has not done what he should have done and has not gotten us to where we should be. He wanted the job so bad, and said he could fix it. Well he didn't fix anything and has made things worse, especially for the future.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:27 AM
 
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He's not. Several have had to deal with an economic crisis when taking office. Yet has any other handled it worse? Has any other whined and blamed others his entire time in office?

3 plus years later and the outlook is still poor, economy is sputtering, 23 million or more jobless, high number on disability/welfare/foodstamps, gas prices high, little drilling on federal land, war on coal, no closer to energy independence, $16 TRILLION in debt.

What exactly has he done to make anything better? We are not better off and he's currently laughing and joking on the campaign trail. He's still blaming others and has offered up nothing on what he will do different now that his first term leaves us in a battered mess.

Not the first to start with a mess, but possibly the worst to ever handle it. Tell your friends, family, neighbors all this. They won't hear it from the media who defend and campaign for him.
I think when Obama put together his team of economic advisers, they assured him that these recessions have been shown to rebound after about a year or so, and that this one would not be any different. I'm sure they and Obama thought he could just bide his time and the economy would correct itself on its own, and then he could claim credit for it.

However, unlike other recessions, which had a president who actually tried to create stability and confidence, and encourage economic recovery, this one had a president who did the exact opposite. Once Obama's economic team found this out, they all started to bail on him, before his inept and destructive policies brought them down with him.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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I think when Obama put together his team of economic advisers, they assured him that these recessions have been shown to rebound after about a year or so, and that this one would not be any different. I'm sure they and Obama thought he could just bide his time and the economy would correct itself on its own, and then he could claim credit for it.

However, unlike other recessions, which had a president who actually tried to create stability and confidence, and encourage economic recovery, this one had a president who did the exact opposite. Once Obama's economic team found this out, they all started to bail on him, before his inept and destructive policies brought them down with him.
The problem is, some of the things they did early on, mightve had a temporary boost, but over all hurt recovery. Their biggest problem is adding more regulations and doing absolutely nothing to improve confidence. And so far, he is offering up nothing new to restore confidence and get things moving. Meanwhile, every sector is hurting. From food costs to jobs to energy, you name it.
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