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Old 09-18-2012, 02:41 PM
 
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How can that be? Co2 is at the lowest levels in 20 years....

CO2 emissions in U.S. drop to 20-year low - Associated Press - POLITICO.com
What...no takers on this?

How can Co2 be down...but yet the Arctic is still melting?

Waiting.....waiting.......

 
Old 09-18-2012, 02:41 PM
 
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Somebody must have pulled the plug in the ocean somewhere to get that sea level to drop like that. Maybe somebody at "skeptical science" can get on it if they get their site backup? lol
 
Old 09-18-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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Somebody must have pulled the plug in the ocean somewhere to get that sea level to drop like that. Maybe somebody at "skeptical science" can get on it if they get their site backup? lol
That, or the measurement was taken at low tide....
 
Old 09-18-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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What...no takers on this?

How can Co2 be down...but yet the Arctic is still melting?

Waiting.....waiting.......
Just an anomaly. You see you can't measure global warming in such a short time span. But in the last thirty years the temp has gone up and.............ah never mind. lol
 
Old 09-18-2012, 02:44 PM
 
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That, or the measurement was taken at low tide....
Nah it's a photoshop job!
 
Old 09-18-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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What...no takers on this?

How can Co2 be down...but yet the Arctic is still melting?

Waiting.....waiting.......
CO2 emissions in the US, not worldwide, also just for early part of this year. Few other countries like China, India more than make up for our decrease.
 
Old 09-18-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes, yes, I know it has that scary word 'scientists' in the title, but watch it anyway.
You can still drive your gas-guzzling truck/suv to work, come home to a beer and your dinner and watch some football or HBO which has all those nekkid women.
Meanwhile, stuff is happening that will affect your kids, most definitely your grandchildren.
and yet NOT ONE scientist has proven MANMADE global warming

the globe evolves..the global enviroment changes..periodicly...there have been WARMER TIMES..there have been cooler times..there have been times when C02 was MUCH, MUCH higher

science shows that humans use oxygen and expele (exhale) co2

science shows that greenery (plantlife) uses co2 and expeles o2

science shows that co2 levels have been 3 times HIGHER than they are today, in the past (ie the co2 325 of today is is much lower than the 750-10000 that co2 levels were 100,000 years ago

science shows us that the earth has warmed AND cooled many times

science shows us that ANTARTICA was once a lush furtile land, not covered in ice

science shows us that greenland was once a green lush furtile land, not covered with ice

science shows us that GLACIERS created many of the geographical features that we look at today (ie Long Island was made by the lower reaching of graciers, the great lakes were created by glaciers, the grand canyon was created by glacial melting)

science shows us that plants would grow much better, and use less water if the co2 was HIGHER...around 700-1500ppm compared to the current 320ppm


The typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research (SCIENCE) demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.Plants under effective CO2 enrichment and management display thicker, lush green leaves, an abundance of fragrant fruit and flowers, and stronger, more vigorous roots. CO2 enriched plants grow rapidly and must also be supplied with the other five "essential elements" to ensure proper development and a plentiful harvest.



science shows As CO2 is a critical component of growth, plants in environments with inadequate CO2 levels - below 225 ppm - will cease to grow or produce.

SCIENCE shows that plants exposed to elevated CO2 concentrations are likely to lose less water via transpiration



common sense states that as the earths polulation expands, so does the need for more plantlife...to keep our oxygen levels up.............yet the global warming liberals only want to talk about car/industry exaust; man created co2,.... and how to tax it


why do liberals DENY science???...because with the science they cant get their TAX..so they manipulate the science
 
Old 09-18-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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How can that be? Co2 is at the lowest levels in 20 years....

CO2 emissions in U.S. drop to 20-year low - Associated Press - POLITICO.com
Global CO2 is still rising.
CO2 Now | Current CO2
 
Old 09-18-2012, 02:48 PM
 
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historical record tells us of many warming episodes - and subsequent cooling periods - that have bedevilled humans for thousands of years.

The ancient Greek philosopher Plato, who lived in 427-347 BC, wrote about major climate changes known in his day. In the dialogue, "Timaeus," he argued global warming occurs at regular intervals, often leading to great floods. Said Plato, "When... the gods purge the Earth with a deluge of water, the survivors... are herdsmen and shepherds who dwell on the mountains. But those who... live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea."

In the dialogue, "Critias," Plato wrote about weather-related geological changes. He referred to "formidable deluges" that washed away all the top soil, turning the land into a "skeleton of a body wasted by disease." What were now plains had once been covered with rich soil, Plato said, and barren mountains were once covered with trees. The yearly "water from Zeus" had been lost, he went on, creating deserts where the land was once productive.

Plato's student, Aristotle, who lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, also recorded evidence of global warming in his work, "Meteorologica." He noted that in the time of the Trojan War, the land of Argos was marshy and unarable, while that of Mycenae was temperate and fertile. "But now the opposite is the case," Aristotle wrote. "The land of Mycenae has become completely dry and barren, while the Argive land that was formerly barren, owing to the water has now become fruitful." He observed the same phenomenon elsewhere covering large regions and nations.

Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle who lived 374-287 BC, discussed climate change in his work, "De ventis," which means "The Wind." He observed that in Crete, "nowadays the winters are more severe and more snow falls." In earlier times, he said, the mountains there bore grain and fruit, and the island was more populous. But when the climate changed, the land became infertile. In his book, "De causis plantarum," Theophrastus noted the Greek city of Larissa once had plentiful olive trees but that falling temperatures killed them all.

In the first century AD, an ancient Roman named Columella wrote an agricultural treatise called, "De re rustica." In it, he discussed global warming that had turned areas once too cold for agriculture into thriving farm communities. Columella cites an authority named Saserna who recorded many such cases. According to Saserna, "regions which formerly, because of the unremitting severity of winter, could not safeguard any shoot of the vine or the olive planted in them, now that the earlier coldness has abated and weather is becoming more clement, produce olive harvests and the vintages of Bacchus [wine] in greatest abundance."

In the Middle Ages, people began recording the temperature and climate-related phenomena, such as the dates when plants began to blossom annually. They were aware of a warming trend that began around 900 and a cooling trend that began around 1300. We know that during the warm period, the Vikings established settlements in Greenland where perpetual ice had previously covered the land. Ancient Norse records tell us these settlements were abandoned after 1250 when falling temperatures made farming less viable and spreading ice in the sea made transportation more difficult.

The cooling trend led to heavy rains in 14th century Europe that were too much for the crops, leading to reduced agricultural output and numerous famines. In the 15th century, a warming trend returned, which lasted until the middle of the 16th century when temperatures again started to fall. By the 17th century, it was clearly apparent that a cooling trend was altering sea routes, changing the kinds of crops farmers could grow, fishing patterns and so on. Glaciers began to advance rapidly in many places and rivers that had long been ice-free year round started to freeze in the winter. This "little ice age" continued well into the 19th century.

The point is that we know a great deal about climate changes from the historical record and need not rely solely on scientific studies of core samples, tree rings and so on. These changes occurred long before industrialization and could not possibly have been man-made in any way. They don't prove man is not now affecting the climate through carbon dioxide emissions, but they do tell us temporary warming trends are common in human history. It may only be a matter of time before another cooling trend comes along.




you see the problem,,we are not saying that there is no such thing as global warming/cooling...we are saying that it is a NATURAL OCCURANCE.....The simple FACT is, to say its 'man-made' is just a LIE...do we humans help/hinder it...certainly..but we are not the CAUSE
 
Old 09-18-2012, 02:48 PM
 
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Doesn't matter. We are too stupid to understand the complexities of climate change. Thus, it's far better to pretend that it is not a problem, that we have nothing to do with, and that we will never be affected by it.

Once we have major problems, we are going to desperately look for somebody to point our fingers at.

However, by that time most of the people who "yawn" at such developments will be long dead and later generations can only wonder how incredibly ignorant their forefathers were.
Yes, and those that yawn, when the seas rise and consume waterfront skyscrapers, those looks of yawning might turn into wide open eyeballs about the size of headlamps of a 1956 Ford, mouths will drop open in disbelief, and there'll be yelling like, Oh Sh*t while running for higher ground. I can imagine that like it is a bad dream.
By then, there'll be no time for finger pointing.
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