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Old 09-19-2012, 03:49 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Same goes for dead, disabled, or unavailable family members in the "family dance" scenario. What's the difference?
The difference being that a girl who doesn't have a FATHER specifically won't feel excluded, and can bring another person they consider part of their family... it's just an issue of semantics, and I don't see why you're so offended by this. As I said earlier, it's weird how some people these days are offended by inclusion vs exclusion.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I think it was DC who said the girl couldn't bring a stand-in. I just took DC's word for it. She must have read that somewhere. Or was she making assumptions?

It wasn't in the article linked to in the op
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:50 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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No minor (unless maybe they're emancipated) lives unattended... so even if her family consists of a grandparent, foster parent, older sibling, etc, they could still attend a "FAMILY dance" if they so desired.

My sister & I attended our school's father-daughter dance regularly, and wouldn't have had any problem sharing it with other types of families - as we actually did, they just didn't bother changing the name.
So the girl is going to bring her disabled grandmother to the family dance? And that solves the problem?
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:51 PM
 
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Stop with the "touchy feely" "specialness" stuff. It's really a weak argument. The father still gets a night with his daughter if he so chooses. It doesn't take anything away from that. It just allows another girl who doesn't have a father to go with her uncle or older brother. And this is a publicly sanctioned event, so arbitrary exclusion shouldn't be allowed. That is all that matters, not "specialness," not "uniqueness."

Now, let's get to the touchy feely. My uncle died when my cousin was very young. My dad danced with her at her wedding. I considered that "special." And it most certainly did not take away from any of the other father-daughter dances.
Stop making it seem as if the school is actively and directly trying to "exclude " people here. The father-daughter dance and the mother son baseball thing was probably the school way of trying to establish a presence beyond academia in the community. They didn't do this to pick on girls with no fathers. Now that is a weak argument.

and a father-daughter relationship isn't arbitrary. it's the most important male relationship a girl will have, at least growing up. that is why there are dances and balls for it. Not uncle and niece dances.

Its not that she was "excluded" but she lacked what it took to participate. The school had an event, she couldn't go, oh well, move on...you're not a victim........ Again, because you lack what it takes to participate in something doesn't mean you are being "victimized" or "discriminated" against.

This seem to be a thing with the left, you can't get a good paying job therefore you are being "oppressed" or something....it can't be that you simply don't have what it takes for a good paying job....get over yourselves, you are not a "victim" every time you can't get your way.

Only a liberal would take something as wholesome as father-daughter dances and twist it around to fatherless girls being "victimized"..... insanity.

But, I guess from a hyper-technical stand point you are legally right.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:53 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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The difference being that a girl who doesn't have a FATHER specifically won't feel excluded, and can bring another person they consider part of their family... it's just an issue of semantics, and I don't see why you're so offended by this. As I said earlier, it's weird how some people these days are offended by inclusion vs exclusion.
Yes, a girl will feel just as excluded if she doesn't have an able or willing family member to bring to the dance. Because she is just as excluded.

The family dance doesn't solve the exclusion issue. On the contrary, those who want the traditional father-daughter dance - which is the majority at this school - now feel excluded.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I will say that I find it sad that so many think the traditional father-daughter dance is outdated and illegal.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:56 PM
 
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But what about the girl who lives with an elderly grandmother (who can't dance)? Or whose single parent is otherwise disabled? Lots of those situations around.
Is the girl with the elderly grandmother prohibited from attending the dance? Is the girl whose single parent is disabled prohibited from attending the dance?

Because the girl without a father was prohibited from attending the father-daughter dance.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:58 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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I will say that I find it sad that so many think the traditional father-daughter dance is outdated and illegal.
Take heart, HT. Here's a survey of the readers of the Providence Journal:

Did the Cranston School Department do the right thing in banning "father-daughter" dances?

(16,360 votes)


Yes: 3.4% (557)


No: 96.6% (15,803)

C-D posters skew far, far left.
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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I think it was DC who said the girl couldn't bring a stand-in. I just took DC's word for it. She must have read that somewhere. Or was she making assumptions?
Well it would be a shame if the school refused to accommodate her by not even encouraging her to bring a stand-in. It would be hard to imagine the school practicing some form of "zero tolerance." Oh wait, there are schools that do that.
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Take heart, HT. Here's a survey of the readers of the Providence Journal:

Did the Cranston School Department do the right thing in banning "father-daughter" dances?

(16,360 votes)


Yes: 3.4% (557)


No: 96.6% (15,803)

C-D posters skew far, far left.
Thanks for posting that. Maybe America isn't that lost after all.
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