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CO2 is not pollutant , it's a greenhouse gas. There is a fundamental difference.
That reminds me, where's all the "we have to do something about greenhouse gases" crowd around here? They mysteriously disappeared. Obama's war on coal does NOTHING to stem CO2 being put into the atmosphere, it's a smoke screen (sorry about the pun). So where's the outcry from this crowd on shipping coal overseas to do the same thing as burning coal here???
There is no war on coal...Gas is cheaper and cleaner, so it is a simple business decision, and nothing to do with Obama.
Have you failed to see the many regulations concerning coal for electricity generation that have come out of the EPA the past 3 years? I guess you have but surely you have seen right here on the forum how many of those generators have been closed down because of those regulations. Really, I would think that people like you would have seen that Jackson has done with regulation what Obama was sure he could do with legislation.
Did Obama appoint Jackson to be the head les at the EPA? I guess that sure has something to do with what if going on with coal. I guess you don't understand why all those closing coal generators haven't been redone to let them do it with natural gas. Nice try at deflection but so sad in the result.
This thread just goes to show how stupid GOP voters are.
The downturn in the coal industry is 100% due to natural gas prices falling to rock bottom levels.
What these propagandists do is try to tie Obama into this somehow, to score political points.
It doesn't get any stupider than this.
Was it Bush who appointed Lisa Jackson to be the head Les down at EPA. Oh, it was Obama? Of course, the price of natural gas has affected the use of coal for electricity but it hasn't even come close to EPA regulations. I bet you don't even know anything about those regulations, do you?
The Obama administration came in after the crash, which had been building worldwide for more than a decade, and was helped alon by Republican and Democratic policies. The economies of the world are still struggling. China shows signs of slowing growth.
I'm not sure how you can singly target the Obama administration in context.
Open you eyes and look at what he is doing, such as allowing his EPA to create new draconian regulations that KILL coal, during "the worst economy since the Great Depression."
If there is a time to start forcing coal-fired power plants to close, to revoke coal mining permits, to create a moratorium on oil drilling, etc... it certainly is not during "the worst economy since the Great Depression."
If there is a time to spend two years concentrating on reforming our nation's medical care, it's not during "during the worst economy since the Great Depression."
Look at 0bama's schedule for the past 10 months, and tell me where he even appears like he is showing any interest in keeping his pledge to "not rest until every American can find a job".
Our economy is in the tank because our federal government, lead by 0bama, has been working toward their own political interests, and is working against us. 0bama has appeared on The view more often then he has met with small business owners.
But, as far as you or I or anyone else is concerned, it makes the environment less hospitable to human life, especially in the quantities in which we emit it.
The effects of CO2 are very much debatable, it's only one variable in a very complex climate.
Open you eyes and look at what he is doing, such as allowing his EPA to create new draconian regulations that KILL coal, during "the worst economy since the Great Depression."
If there is a time to start forcing coal-fired power plants to close, to revoke coal mining permits, to create a moratorium on oil drilling, etc... it certainly is not during "the worst economy since the Great Depression."
If there is a time to spend two years concentrating on reforming our nation's medical care, it's not during "during the worst economy since the Great Depression."
Look at 0bama's schedule for the past 10 months, and tell me where he even appears like he is showing any interest in keeping his pledge to "not rest until every American can find a job".
Our economy is in the tank because our federal government, lead by 0bama, has been working toward their own political interests, and is working against us. 0bama has appeared on The view more often then he has met with small business owners.
I see the point you are trying to make, and I grasp, by your tone, that your position is set it stone. What, then, save for the good feelings I get out of dissecting your claims, is the point of arguing?
Though, to your point on medical care, reforming medical care, such that everyone has access to preventative and emergency care at affordable prices, is extremely necessary right now, especially because so many people do not have it. This is not the thread for such a discussion, though I am up for it.
The effects of CO2 are very much debatable, it's only one variable in a very complex climate.
It is one variable. The wonderful thing about statistics is that it allows us to tease out the effects of single variables from very complex data sets. This is in direct contradiction to your assertion that the climate is too complicated for statistics or science to truly understand any single part of it.
To state that lowly "man" can effect the progression of Earth's climate is the "epitome of conceit" and fallacious hyperbole... Man's effect on Earth climate is nugatory in comparison to desultory Solar activity or...on a much lesser scale...volcanic eruptions akin to the Mt. Pinatubo 1991 eruption.
I can see that you didn't read the link, either. Why are you leaners like that?
I did read the link. They used dramatic sensationalism journalism to rant on about the coal industry being under attack. In my opinion; good. Those coal miners can easily find another job that pays what they make, and a hell of a lot cleaner (now I sound like a republican......) Coal is a dirty and bad source of energy. I am from Appalachia. I see the attack this industry does on the environment. Streams that use to be filled with trout, now literally green from the acidic run off. No joke, there are streams that run green in Pennsylvania. Regulating industry is a good thing, and yes I am a socialist. You people who rant on about industry are all for fn this environment up so bad for profit that my son will never even see any clean environment in the east for his future. Regulate the hell out of these greedy capitalistic thugs. Good for them.
Most other countries are moving so far ahead of us in terms of technology and we still sit here whining about coal because of un-progressive people such as yourself afraid to evolve for profit.
This is in direct contradiction to your assertion that the climate is too complicated for statistics or science to truly understand any single part of it.
I didn't say that, don't put words into my mouth. The predictions of what increased CO2 will do is based on models.
Let's compare hurricane predictions now to 25 or 30 years ago. See the point? 30 years ago predicting what a hurricane would do with models was like throwing darts at a dart board. Coinciding with the increase in computing power they collected huge amounts of very accurate data. They could take this data and compare their models to known results again and again, they have been able to refine these models to the point they are fairly accurate.
Climate is much more complex than a hurricane and there is the issues of data integrity, how much data is available etc.
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...Gas is cheaper and cleaner, so it is a simple business decision, and nothing to do with Obama.
