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Old 09-22-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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And the states are bankrupt. They cant do it without help.
Not all the states are bankrupt; but the most overbuilt and irresponsible are closest to the botom of the heap.And these states are usually controlled by Democrats, Populists, and Lefties.

If Ne York and California are looking for a share of my hard-earned paycheck to clean up ther mess, they can take a long walk off a short pier.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:48 PM
 
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Not all the states are bankrupt; but the most overbuilt and irresponsible are closest to the botom of the heap.And these states are usually controlled by Democrats, Populists, and Lefties.

If Ne York and California are looking for a share of my hard-earned paycheck to clean up ther mess, they can take a long walk off a short pier.
lmao...are you serious? States like CA and NY fund red state welfare. They pay more in federal taxes than they receive back.

The top ten feeders at the federal trough in 2005 were: New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Kentucky and Virginia. The top ten milk cows were: New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, and Colorado.


Red States, Blue States and the Distribution of Federal Spending | Jeff Frankels Weblog | Views on the Economy and the World
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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I could have sworn the purpose of the military was to defend the country against all enemies, foreign or domestic. I find it offensive to be using the military to build bridges and pave roads.
The Romans considered it part and parcial of that purpose. A town has a garrison and a road that is barely passable. Not only is trade restricted (who want to hope you make it when the next town has a real road) but in case of needed defense, the garrison has to pick their way over it. So since they are there and they are there to serve, they serve by building roads. And they were *master* road and bridge builders. Not only did it make it possible for them to do their job, but the town liked having a good road and whateve they may think if the larger empire, they liked their garrison.

The highway system in america was build with defense in mind, after WW2. And maintaining transportation from point A to point B in a situation where troops have to get to A quickly is a defense function. If the highway just half washed out in a flood your our of luck. This also includes getting supplies from where they got made to where they were to be shipped.

I see no problem with it. They are serving the welfare of everyone if the mass of decaying roads and bridges was fixed and maintained that way. Far better than the alternative of just letting them crumble.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:51 PM
 
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Instead of cutting spending and firing people, the government should be investing into America and putting people to work to rebuild our infrastructure to meet 21st century demands.

It is really a tragedy that we are not properly seizing on this opportunity to rebuild America and put people back to work.
Just like Monopoly. When the money runs out just take the money from another set.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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Just like Monopoly. When the money runs out just take the money from another set.

The time for austerity measures is when the economy is doing well and unemployment is low. Plus infrastructure spending is hardly like Monopoly. It is an investment which leads to economic growth. Infrastructure drives the cost of business down, making the US more competitive. Infrastructure projects employ skilled workers and machinery, not only in that industry but other industries that provide the materials and machinery. It also provides a multiplier effect - as people who are employed rebuilding America's infrastructure have more income - leading to more demand elsewhere in the economy, leading to more jobs.

Anyone who claims that investing into America's infrastructure parallels to Monopoly money certainly has no understanding of basic economics.
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Old 09-23-2012, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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lmao...are you serious? States like CA and NY fund red state welfare. They pay more in federal taxes than they receive back.

The top ten feeders at the federal trough in 2005 were: New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Kentucky and Virginia. The top ten milk cows were: New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, and Colorado.


Red States, Blue States and the Distribution of Federal Spending | Jeff Frankels Weblog | Views on the Economy and the World
Those figures can be heavily fine-tuned to the "analyst's" opinion depending upon exactly what the funds were spent for, and where they originated. Collections from high-earners, both individual and corporate, in industrializaed states -- then spent on defense, which tends to locate major bases in the South and West, are just one of many possibilitiies.

My point was: Progressive-tax-funded, socially-liberal states such as New York, Massachusetts, Minnesota and California have bankrupted themselves by overextending social programs. With the United States no longer dominant in a globalizing economy, and no longer as strong a magnet for legal immigrans willling to start at the bottom, overbuilt entitlement schemes everywhere are going to have to be reformed, and market pressures are going to continue to steer young people toward jobs often depicted as undesirable.

Our infrastructure, particularly with regard to transportation and distribution, both passenger and freight, is nowhere near collapse, but it will have to be restructured away from the auto-centric, suburban-oriented pattern which has been evolving ever since the end of World War II; that can be accomplished largely through the workings of private funding under the laws of supply and demand -- just as both the freight rail and trucking industries did between 1970-1995.

We definitely don't need Obama and his henchman using one train ride to his inauguration to ballyhoo a centrally-planned High Speed Rail (HSR) system which was so skewed by politics that it later added projected service to states so thinly-settled as New Mexico and Montana.

All this can be accomplshed via existing technology -- in many cases by rehabilitating some of the previous routes and facilities that once served the older cities and were put out of business by political corruption, graft, and high taxes. The last thing we need is Barry-O's shiny, new, incompatible, and very expensive "big Lionel set".

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Old 09-23-2012, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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I often think to myself what our country could look like if we'd taken all that money we spent on middle east wars and spent it instead on improving our infrastructure.
Or if we had not given trillions to leeches who take individual and corporate welfare. Crony Capitalism is destroying our country.
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Old 09-23-2012, 05:44 AM
 
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That is their problem. I believe every state is required to have a balanced budget. If you politicians can't control the spending of the taxes they collect, maybe it is time to vote in new politicians.

I re-call when an earthquake hit in San Frisco a major bridge was damaged. The estimate was something like 3 years to repair. A private contractor offered them a deal. relax all the ridiculous rules and requirements they usually demand and he could do it in a much lesser time.

because they really needed this bridge. they agreed and the project was done in "record" time AND under budget. it also met ALL safety requirements.

Having worked in government contracting I have first had knowledge about the waste of tax dollars.

There all kinds of things the states can do to bring the costs down.
There was local bridge here they demoed and in the meantime they had passed that handicapped legislation, the state had them go back to the drawing board and redesign the bridge. Took like 3 or 4 years in total from the time they started tearing the original down and that doesn't even include the groundwork before that. It was just a little bridge too, one span about 30 feet across creek.
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Old 09-23-2012, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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The top ten feeders at the federal trough in 2005 were: New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Kentucky and Virginia. The top ten milk cows were: New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, and Colorado.
This tells me that New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Kentucky and Virginia have smart politicians who know how to work the system.

Meanwhile, New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, and Colorado have stupid politicians who don't know how to get more of their money back from DC.
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Old 09-23-2012, 05:52 AM
 
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lmao...are you serious? States like CA and NY fund red state welfare. They pay more in federal taxes than they receive back.

The top ten feeders at the federal trough in 2005 were: New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Kentucky and Virginia. The top ten milk cows were: New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, and Colorado.
When you have a low population state and heavy federal facilities what else do you expect? For example ever hear of a facility called Los Alomos? Ever hear of the Mississippi river which requires a huge federal investment to keep the shipping open? Do you think a state like Nebraska has much interest in maintaining 750 miles of I-80 which connects San Fran to NYC?

Now you want to see a list of the top ten states with individual welfare recipients?
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