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I think the notion that the Religious Right has "taken over" the GOP is misguided. The people running the Republican Party are plutocrats; they care primarily about economic issues, not cultural ones. The trouble is, it is very hard to capture a mass voting base by openly promoting plutocracy. So, instead, they have drawn social conservatives into the fold by pandering to their fears and prejudices. The Religious Right are basically being used to secure a voting base, which the GOP then uses to advance a conservative economic agenda.
I think this is what used to happen. It appears that in recent years, the religious right voters have started electing true believers of their own?
Don't believe me? Look at the anti-abortion legislation floated recently. These bills used to be floated by the more cynical plutocrats to energize the faithful but always (often by design, looking at the timing) died in committee. Now they're passing the House (in Congress) and are passing state legislatures. I think there's a generation of genuinely pro-life politicians elected and trying to deliver. As a woman, I'm not too happy about it, but I've come to the conclusion they're now drinking their own poison, so to speak.
I think this is what used to happen. It appears that in recent years, the religious right voters have started electing true believers of their own?
Don't believe me? Look at the anti-abortion legislation floated recently. These bills used to be floated by the more cynical plutocrats to energize the faithful but always (often by design, looking at the timing) died in committee. Now they're passing the House (in Congress) and are passing state legislatures. I think there's a generation of genuinely pro-life politicians elected and trying to deliver. As a woman, I'm not too happy about it, but I've come to the conclusion they're now drinking their own poison, so to speak.
The Hyde Amendment first passed in 1976. Granted Henry Hyde was a Democrat but this was one of the earliest bills passed that would be considered anti-abortion.
The attempts to ban intact dilation and extraction started 20 years ago. Your grasp of history is quite lacking concerning this subject.
Who said anything about Christians and who said they believe that people should be thrown in jail for adultery or divorce (I was using that as an example and not to be taken literally)? I already know that most "bible-thumping" fundies don't practice Jesus' teachings word for word. Case in point, Jesus himself NEVER mentions anything about homosexuality however, he said A LOT about PEACE and turning the other cheek on an enemy that strikes you (not WAR), literally giving ALL of one's money to the poor before finding the kingdom of heaven (sounds like socialism to me). If you don't believe me here is my proof:
Matthew 19-20
"Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother, and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
Matthew 13:22
"The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful."
Mark 10:23
"Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"
The Bible speaks of homosexuality being an abomination. Several places in the New Testament also mention it. The Bible is the Word. Jesus is the Word made flesh. Hence, Jesus says it.
Next, Christians are human beings. If someone were to become violent with you for no reason, it is human nature to try to defend one's self. Don't act like it is not. However, in general, Christians seek none harm.
Jesus was speaking about the individual giving things away. He wasn't speaking of the state. Hence, it is NOT socialism, but rather sacrificial and charitable giving.
I think this is what used to happen. It appears that in recent years, the religious right voters have started electing true believers of their own?
Don't believe me? Look at the anti-abortion legislation floated recently. These bills used to be floated by the more cynical plutocrats to energize the faithful but always (often by design, looking at the timing) died in committee. Now they're passing the House (in Congress) and are passing state legislatures. I think there's a generation of genuinely pro-life politicians elected and trying to deliver. As a woman, I'm not too happy about it, but I've come to the conclusion they're now drinking their own poison, so to speak.
You're not happy about people not wishing unborn children to be murdered in the womb? That thinking sounds like pure poison.
How in you're rightful mind and heart can you believe that it is okay to MURDER unborn children? Seriously!
That you would view your position as correct is the odd thing about it all.
The Hyde Amendment first passed in 1976. Granted Henry Hyde was a Democrat but this was one of the earliest bills passed that would be considered anti-abortion.
The attempts to ban intact dilation and extraction started 20 years ago. Your grasp of history is quite lacking concerning this subject.
I barely scratched the surface.
All right. Educate me. Tell me why despite nearly 40 years of legal abortion, 2011 had near-record levels of anti-abortion legislation.
In the first six months of 2011, states enacted 162 new provisions related to reproductive health and rights. Fully 49% of these new laws seek to restrict access to abortion services, a sharp increase from 2010, when 26% of new laws restricted abortion. The 80 abortion restrictions enacted this year[2011--J] are more than double the previous record of 34 abortion restrictions enacted in 2005—and more than triple the 23 enacted in 2010. All of these new provisions were enacted in just 19 states.
The Bible speaks of homosexuality being an abomination. Several places in the New Testament also mention it. The Bible is the Word. Jesus is the Word made flesh. Hence, Jesus says it.
Next, Christians are human beings. If someone were to become violent with you for no reason, it is human nature to try to defend one's self. Don't act like it is not. However, in general, Christians seek none harm.
Jesus was speaking about the individual giving things away. He wasn't speaking of the state. Hence, it is NOT socialism, but rather sacrificial and charitable giving.
Yes, the Bible says that homosexuality is an abomination. It also says that people should be stoned to death for certain offenses, that certain people in a society can own slaves, that we shouldn't eat pork (which is actually a good things as pigs are disgusting animals), that a man can marry multiples wives (up to 1,000 wives in King Solomon's case), that a man can marry his half-sister (Abraham and Sarah), that women should not speak in Church (Timothy 2: 12-15; 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 ), that it is an abomination for a woman to pray without her head being covered (1 Corinthians 11:5-7).
The Bible says a lot of things that so-called Christians simply look over, disregard, and do not follow or practice. If you and other Christians can pick and choose what parts of the Bible are acceptable to follow, then why wouldn't you expect gay people to do the same?
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All right. Educate me. Tell me why despite nearly 40 years of legal abortion, 2011 had near-record levels of anti-abortion legislation.
As the article touched on, there was a flurry of activity concerning the new health care laws. Many of them would have already been in place but had to be brought back up to cover the new laws.
Such as the Hyde Amendment banning the government funding of abortions. Since those regulations may not be applicable with the health care laws and the Senate isn't going to touch it, states had to individually.
So where one law once covered it, now many had to be enacted to cover what one once did.
As the article touched on, there was a flurry of activity concerning the new health care laws. Many of them would have already been in place but had to be brought back up to cover the new laws.
Such as the Hyde Amendment banning the government funding of abortions. Since those regulations may not be applicable with the health care laws and the Senate isn't going to touch it, states had to individually.
So where one law once covered it, now many had to be enacted to cover what one once did.
Looking at the categories of new state laws, hm, I don't really see the Hyde Amendment provisions covered there, that prohibits Federal funding of abortions. I suppose arguably #2 but a general ban on private insurance coverage seems well beyond Hyde Amendment territory, and the Hyde Amendment didn't bar Federal funding of Planned Parenthood for non-abortion services. This push seems stronger than previous ones. And several categories seem to have nothing to do with the ACA.
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1. Mandatory ultrasound laws. ...
2. Abortion insurance coverage bans. These laws, now passed by 16 states, ban abortion coverage by private health insurers. Some apply to all health insurers in a state, some to the new health "exchanges" that will be created by the Affordable Care Act.
3. Nebraska copycat bans. In 2010, Nebraska banned most abortions after 20 weeks gestation, on the contested theory that it marks the point in pregnancy when a fetus can feel pain. So far at least five more states — Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Alabama — have joined Nebraska in enacting similar laws.
4. Race and sex selection laws. ...
5. Affiliation bans. These laws seek to bar abortion providers (often, but not exclusively Planned Parenthood) from receiving state funds for family planning or other services.
LGBT issues are #1 for young people, which is why 70% of so of them support Obama. As soon as gay marriage is legalized things will change. Many young people are fiscally conservative and support Republicans on economic issues, but Democrats on LGBT issues so they vote Democrat. Once its no longer an issue, look for a Generation Y migration to the Republican party and they will have a chance at winning again.
I know plenty of under 30s that are fairly religious, and at most they just don't care about gay marriage.
The republican party is shooting itself in the foot by pursuing these issues. They need to be republicans again, and realize that limited government doesn't just mean cutting food stamps.
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