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Old 09-27-2012, 08:27 AM
 
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Doesn't everyone?

As long as that unity was in their own personal image?

I'd at least like to feel our elected government had the country's interests as its #1 priority which no longer seems the case on either side of the aisle.
Everyone does NOT want unity. Enemies of this country understand that if they can divide the people of the country, we will fall. The reasons politicians have the power now is because the population is divided - we cancel out ourselves and they make the decisions.

Personal image? Nobody wants to be wrong. Everyone wants what is right in their own eyes. It's rare to find anyone who will put their viewpoint on the back burner for purposes of unity.

I asked you the question (which you did not answer directly) because many of your posts seem to tear down any idea of unity - and in fact fosters a divisive spirit.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:39 AM
 
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Obama IS a true centrist. . . .you critisize him for implementing conservative ideas, you hate him for finding workable compromise, and vow to block anything that he would support. . . . under those circumstances, NO ONE would be able to do better than he has done to move our country forward. COMPROMISE is the essence of our political system!
He's definitely not the rabid anti-American Socialist the GOP and their apparatus have been saying he is.

"Radical Health Care Reform!!!"

Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan.

"Radical Socialist Redistribution of Wealth!!"

2% increase on those making over 200K, repealing the Bush tax cuts.

"Disasterous middle East policy!!"

Trying the clean up the mess that the Bush admin left in 2 wars, while trying to promote "regime change" in Libya....neo-cons loved regime change and trying to force democracy in the area, and you voted for them in 2004 knowing that policy, and your golden boys in talk radio cheerleaded for it.

The level of BS and hyperbole is astounding.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:45 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Everyone does NOT want unity. Enemies of this country understand that if they can divide the people of the country, we will fall. The reasons politicians have the power now is because the population is divided - we cancel out ourselves and they make the decisions.

Personal image? Nobody wants to be wrong. Everyone wants what is right in their own eyes. It's rare to find anyone who will put their viewpoint on the back burner for purposes of unity.

I asked you the question (which you did not answer directly) because many of your posts seem to tear down any idea of unity - and in fact fosters a divisive spirit.
BULL!

Open your eyes!

Observe modern US politics in action, when/where is either party doing anything but promoting an atmosphere of divisiveness?
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:47 AM
 
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Obama IS a true centrist. . . .
He is a centrist - when the extreme left is the Sierra Club, trade unions, and Occupiers - the extreme right is political moderates.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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BULL!

Open your eyes!

Observe modern US politics in action, when/where is either party doing anything but promoting an atmosphere of divisiveness?
If you read my last post - I said politicians have power when the people are divided. So yes, many politicians have an interest in pitting the citizens against each other. I agree on that point.

However, unity starts with me and you - not some outside politician. You still have not said whether or not you are interested in uniting the country.

Got a meeting - will chime in later...
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:27 AM
 
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I can't think of one for the life of me.

I don't see a centrist out there and if one did arise, there's no way they could appeal to the far right or left elements, as polarized and bitter as the country seems to be these days.

Does anyone come to mind?
Cory Booker is a good example of a moderate, he's a democrat that's supported many republican ideas, and brought crime way down in Newark, NJ and has made many middle class and upper class want to move in there. He and Gov. Christie have worked closely together on a lot of issues. I think he's too moderate though for the bases, so leftists won't like him because he's not liberal enough and most people on the right will call him a secret socialist or something, even though if there's anything he agrees with them on it's things like school vouchers, which has benefited his city a lot. He's also very tough on crime and been called names by the criminals and their supporters for it but most people even in the tough areas appreciate him for it.

IMO he meets the centrist part but he'll never be president I don't think, I definitely don't think he should run anytime soon, I think the worst thing about Obama is he wasn't experienced but at the time people wanted/needed hope so I think that's why he won the primaries in 2008 instead of someone else. We needed hope but we also needed someone with experience as well. Booker btw is the mayor of Newark and he turned the city completely around by implementing ideas from both parties, as well as some that were somewhere between the two ideologies.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: it depends
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I can't think of one for the life of me.

I don't see a centrist out there and if one did arise, there's no way they could appeal to the far right or left elements, as polarized and bitter as the country seems to be these days.

Does anyone come to mind?
Unity in American political and social history is a fairy tale. There never has been, and there never will be. However, we have been able to accomplish things on the basis of shared interests.

Today, it is in our shared interest to take all the money we are currently spending on education, and use it instead to actually teach our children to read, write, spell and figure. It would be nice if we could manage, in our homes and in our schools, to also instill basic skills like being able to show up for work reliably, answer a telephone in an acceptable manner, and simply do what we are supposed to do. (These are the skills that are lacking, according to employers.) Why aren't we reforming education? Some Dems do not want to offend the teachers union; some Republicans do not want to offend anti-tax constituencies.

It is in our shared interest to promote a vibrant economy. Some Dems believe that the more money we waste, the more prosperous we will be. Some Republicans believe that any increase in government revenues is unacceptable. But unless we want to starve to death, we better figure this one out.

It is in our shared interest to promote a clean environment. Some Dems believe we can shut down vast swaths of our industrial infrastructure to make more improvements; some Republicans want to abolish the EPA. But an agreement to maintain the progress won over the past decades, and leave off massively costly efforts to make incremental additional progress, would preserve what has been done and allow us to focus on the health of the economy until vibrancy is restored.

It is in our shared interest to punish financial wrong-doing and to have a healthy financial system. Dems have achieved a massive reform that essentially guts the community banking system and concentrates power in the biggest companies and makes credit for all more costly and less available; some Republlicans want to repeal the whole reform effort. It would behoove us to throw the criminals in jail and leave the honest Main Street banks alone.

Obama is farther away from the middle on all of these issues than Romney. This most ideological president has thrown hundreds of thousands of jobs under the bus in defense of indefensible expansion of environmental rules, disastrous financial regulatory expansion, and ruinous levels of borrowing and debt. If he wins re-election, as seems likely now, by 2016 a majority of us will agree that our first priority ought to be to not starve to death--and we will act on that shared interest.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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marcopolo i can think of several centrists that became president Ronald Reagan is a good example, sure the left love to vilify him now and the right worship him, but now he wouldn't be welcome in the Republican party for sure and I don't think he'd want in the Democrat party if either of them. He'd be considered soft on foreign affairs because when we disarmed with Russia we did it at the same time Democrats wanted us to do it first Republicans wanted them to do it first. There's a lot I disagree with him on but he was a great president. There's quite a few on both sides, and yes the extremists of both parties don't see it. But when you put in the moderates i.e. the Dems. that voted for Reagan, then the moderates outweigh the extremists we just don't have the money and influence of the unions, which i don't hate but i don't love them either i think they should be fixed but not done away with, and on the right it's the influence of people that want to pay no or almost no taxes and any raise or even just not lowering them is enough to get you not elected.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:45 AM
 
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Is There a True Centrist Politician Who Can Unite the Country Again??
No. You done burnt both ends of that bridge. Outside of a near-Apocalyptic event affecting the US, there's not going to be any unity.

Splintering...

Mircea

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One person can't unite a country.
Reagan did.

Historically...

Mircea

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COMPROMISE is the essence of our political system!
Great, another person who doesn't understand "compromise."

Compromise is the act of altering the path you take to reach the Pot O' Gold.

Yielding to another who demands that you take a dangerous path through a swamp filled with quick-sand in order to reach the Pot O' Gold defeats the whole purpose of compromising.

Essentially....

Mircea
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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marcopolo i can think of several centrists that became president Ronald Reagan is a good example, sure the left love to vilify him now and the right worship him, but now he wouldn't be welcome in the Republican party for sure and I don't think he'd want in the Democrat party if either of them. He'd be considered soft on foreign affairs because when we disarmed with Russia we did it at the same time Democrats wanted us to do it first Republicans wanted them to do it first. There's a lot I disagree with him on but he was a great president. There's quite a few on both sides, and yes the extremists of both parties don't see it. But when you put in the moderates i.e. the Dems. that voted for Reagan, then the moderates outweigh the extremists we just don't have the money and influence of the unions, which i don't hate but i don't love them either i think they should be fixed but not done away with, and on the right it's the influence of people that want to pay no or almost no taxes and any raise or even just not lowering them is enough to get you not elected.
I love how lying liberals rewrite history to serve their interests.

Ronald Reagan was VILLIFIED by the left when he was President and he would still be villified today as a knuckle-dragging reactionary conservative if he were alive.

Since it's convenient for you to try and lie more by claiming Romney is more extreme than Reagan (LOL - I wish that were true), we have to listen to this faux nostalgia over the "centrist" Ronald Reagan.

I really wish I could find a single liberal with intellectual honesty. There aren't any on this site.
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