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Old 09-28-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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while i like the idea of hybrid cars, the volt is one i would stay far away from. it is WAY overpriced for what it is. the 2013 ford fusion is a much better and far more affordable car.

by the way i do like the fact that the volt uses the gas engine as a generator instead of a propulsion unit. imo the second best choice would be a small diesel generator in an electric car the size of the fusion, or even the fiesta.

the best choice would be a small gas turbine powered generator. that way you could use ANY fuel to run the generator. if it burns, you can use it.

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Old 09-28-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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Can the plug in cause a fire? We had a fire in my city and it burned the garage down, it was in an apartment garage so many cars were burned in the process. They blamed a golf cart that was plugged in. Is that a problem with electric cars, etc?
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:45 AM
 
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LOL, how do you arrive at the absurd number of $33,600? Are you comparing it to a SUV?

Show your math.

As far as the scarp metal comment no one is going to buy a car with 80K on it if they expect it to fail at any time and the cost to fix it is going to be many thousands of dollars.
I told you he saves 350 month on gas. You do the math, it's not that complicated.
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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I told you he saves 350 month on gas. You do the math, it's not that complicated.
3.80 per gallon, average miles driven per year is about 15K and lets say a similar car would be conservative 30MPG?


((15000*8)/30)*3.80 = $15,200

We still need to subtract what your friend spends on gas, 20% of what the average car uses sound like a fair number?

15200*.80 = $12,160 he would save on gas in 8 years assuming the averages I've given.



Note the average of 15K a year in driving is 120K miles in 8 years which is well past the warranty for the battery.

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Old 09-29-2012, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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3.80 per gallon, average miles driven per year is about 15K and lets say a similar car would be conservative 30MPG?

((15000*8)/30)*3.80 = $15,200

We still need to subtract what your friend spends on gas, 20% of what the average car uses sound like a fair number?

15200*.80 = $12,160 he would save on gas in 8 years assuming the averages I've given.

Note the average of 15K a year in driving is 120K miles in 8 years which is well past the warranty for the battery.
Spin it any way you want and invent any assumptions you want, but if he saves $350 per month, then that is a $33 600 in savings over eight years. Comprende?
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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Spin it any way you want and invent any assumptions you want, but if he saves $350 per month, then that is a $33 600 in savings over eight years. Comprende?
You can't spin hard numbers like I have presented. What exactly do you disagree with?
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You can't spin hard numbers like I have presented. What exactly do you disagree with?
It's not that I disagree with the assumptions you presented, but they are just that: assumptions. If a person saves $350 per month, it adds up to $33 600 in eight years. How hard is that to understand?

I am not talking about someone who had a car which got 30mpg, I made it clear I was talking about my friend who is saving $350 per month driving his Volt. The comparison is not between a car which gets 30mpg, and a Volt, it is between by buddy's old car and his new Volt. Get it?

If you drive an SUV or a pickup truck, and switch to a Volt, the saving will be significant.

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Old 09-29-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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If you drive an SUV or a pickup truck, and switch to a Volt, the saving will be significant.
What he drove before is irrelevant because he's buying a new vehicle. You need to compare this purchase to a similar new vehicle. If you were going to walk into a delership to buy a Volt are you going to compare it to what you're driving now or similar sized vehicles?
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Looks like Obama has another loser notch on his belt. The Chevy Volt the overpriced car that is a failure.

‘Record’ Volt Sales?Â* Not Really -- GM Counts $159 Leases for an $89,000 Car | NewsBusters.org
Would turn right around and sell it...if someone gave me one of the things.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:38 AM
 
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Can the plug in cause a fire? We had a fire in my city and it burned the garage down, it was in an apartment garage so many cars were burned in the process. They blamed a golf cart that was plugged in. Is that a problem with electric cars, etc?
as with anything dealing with electricity, the possibility of an electrical fire is always present. it usually occurs when either the circuit is overloaded, or if there is a problem in the circuit itself. properly installed and maintained however the risk of fire is minimal. and dont forget that even gasoline and diesel powered cars can burst into flames as well, again the risk is minimal as long as the vehicles are properly maitianed.
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