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Old 11-16-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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The hostess company that makes Twinkies went out of business. They decided to go out of business. 18000 people out of work. The company said it was unprofitable in large part to UNION wages and pensions. It sounds like union greed is what lost all these jobs.
The company didn't tell you that Hostess management voted to give themselves 200% salary increases in the past year, including lifting the CEO to a yearly salary over $2.5 million; guess they just conveniently glossed over that, while trying to stick it to their working-class employees--just another example of "shared sacrifice"...

Hostess was largely in trouble because of the products they made ( Ding Dongs, Fruit Pies, Wonder Bread, etc), none of which was healthy, and increasingly not being bought by consumers..
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:05 AM
 
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The company didn't tell you that Hostess management voted to give themselves 200% salary increases in the past year, including lifting the CEO to a yearly salary over $2.5 million; guess they just conveniently glossed over that, while trying to stick it to their working-class employees--just another example of "shared sacrifice"...

Hostess was largely in trouble because of the products they made ( Ding Dongs, Fruit Pies, Wonder Bread, etc), none of which was healthy, and increasingly not being bought by consumers..

These twinkie makers can go to college, get a business degree, and start their own business also. Then they can pay themselves whatever they want like other CEO's.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Unions don't create anything, only it's members who are gainfully employed do. A business owner should have the right to hire the applicant of his choice. The only thing the union loses is a dues paying member.
Not if he's intruding into union territory. Why not let the Mexicans come in and do the work for $2.00 per hour? Is that good for America in your world?
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:11 AM
 
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Why don't the unions start their own companies?? Everybody should be peachy keen with it. All paid what they want and no squabbles over contracts since they are all union buds.
Why don't the owners just do the work themselves without employees? They could have like 15 kids and force them to do the work for nothing.

Lots of possibilities here.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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How do they "steal union work" if they have a winning bid on a project, or some home owner who wants a cement driveway calls St. Louis Paving from the Yellow Pages?
Because it's union work in St Louis. What part of that is so hard to understand? Why doesn't this little half assed paving contractor go find work in a small town somewhere?
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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Why don't the owners just do the work themselves without employees? They could have like 15 kids and force them to do the work for nothing.

Lots of possibilities here.
Yes there are. Nobody forces anyone to take a job. Why can't you answer the question? Instead of handing all that money to politicians why don't they help out their union buddies and start their own business? What they don't like to suck their own blood or something?
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:06 PM
 
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Not if he's intruding into union territory. Why not let the Mexicans come in and do the work for $2.00 per hour? Is that good for America in your world?
Why should unions call the shots on who gets to do what work?
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:15 PM
 
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Not all unions are like that, some actually work with management to create the best product possible, while ensuring the employees are properly compensated.

I'm a conservative btw.
You're right, I probably get carried away with my hatred of unions, but seriously some of this crap has to stop and nobody has the balls to fight unions because they'd be putting their lives at risk.

Here in Chicago, it takes three men making $80,000 per year to change a streetlight. Walgreens can change a streetlight with one man making $45,000. Many employees in these public unions hate the city, stick around for the perks, and don't care if they're making everyone else poor.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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Because it's union work in St Louis. What part of that is so hard to understand? Why doesn't this little half assed paving contractor go find work in a small town somewhere?
Last I checked the United States still pretended to be a free country, who made the unions the owners of cities?
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:59 PM
 
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For all the class warfare folks out there complaining about how the Hostess CEO's salary went up to 2.5 million...

If you stole EVERY penny that CEO made, divided it by 18,000 employees, it would give them a pay increase of $138.88 per year. If you stole EVERY penny the top 10 executives earned while employed at Hostess, the amount divided out to those 18,000 employees would be less than $250.00 per year.

The tax the rich crowd and the it's not fair because the owners, CEOs and executives make more than their fair share crowd appear incapable of basic math. Not only are there no winners (except government) in a redistribution scheme, this system makes financial losers out of nearly everyone.

For the diehard union supporters out there... If you want to make $XXX.XX per hour, produce a genuine benefit to your company that is in excess of of what your wages and benefits cost that company. Otherwise you are costing your company money, and no business owner or investor is looking to lose their investment just so you feel good because you've earned a fair or 'living' wage.

This really isn't rocket surgery...
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