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Old 10-02-2012, 01:39 AM
 
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Bwahahaha! Weaklings you say?! Hmmm....and you are one of the "strong" nature has selected to be the future of humanity? Your rant is unsubstantiated by facts and reeks of to much time spent alone, or with only the company of Jack Daniels. Would you say,then, that Alvin York was a "weakling"? . Chuck Yeager? George Patton? Norman Schartzcoff? Shall I go on? These men and so many who cannot be named here due to shear numbers ALL had strong love for family.I , myself, do and I am certainly not a "weakling". Though some of this you have posted is stated somewhat well, grammatically speaking, it is flawed and fanatical, has no supporting structure, and ignores pertinant facts. Thus...a rant. When the whiskey runs out and wears off such "revalations" as you have come to here will seem far less profound.

Let me just say that military is, believe it or not, not the best place to develop personal strength. All that relying on comrades leaves people vulnerable to getting stabbed in the back. A better example would be Pablo Escobar or Stalin. Escobar, while a great man who created an empire for himself, ultimately died because he made, surprise surprise a long phone call to his family that was traced to his hide out. Stalin, on the other hand, while a murderous bastard, left his mark on history and didn't even safe his own son from a German POW camp. That is a fine example for all. I disagree with his policies, but certainly we can see Stalin was a genius when it came to politics and gaining power for himself.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:43 AM
 
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Let me just say that military is, believe it or not, not the best place to develop personal strength. All that relying on comrades leaves people vulnerable to getting stabbed in the back. A better example would be Pablo Escobar or Stalin. Escobar, while a great man who created an empire for himself, ultimately died because he made, surprise surprise a long phone call to his family that was traced to his hide out. Stalin, on the other hand, while a murderous bastard, left his mark on history and didn't even safe his own son from a German POW camp. That is a fine example for all. I disagree with his policies, but certainly we can see Stalin was a genius when it came to politics and gaining power for himself.



I think this can safely discount this entire thread and it's premise.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:00 AM
 
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A bullet in the head (or wherever, if you aren't such a great shot ) for those who would actually try to implement their Utopian wet dreams.
I would say the same thing about those whom try to implement the "American dream" on us. From the moment we're born in America and go through the state approved brainwashing program (schools) we are taught a mantra of "get a job, make money, have a family, get married, be a good drone." Anyone who deviates, saying "I don't want to have kids and would rather join a Zen Monastery" or "I'd rather leave modern society and go live a substance lifestyle in the Yukon" is labeled insane.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:11 AM
 
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First, I don't have a degree. I am self taught. Second, in hard times my family will be there as many other families are there...for the sole purpose of being parasites.

I sink or swim as an individual. No need for the herd of family.
But a great need for validation in a chat room????
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:49 AM
 
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Let me just say that military is, believe it or not, not the best place to develop personal strength. All that relying on comrades leaves people vulnerable to getting stabbed in the back. A better example would be Pablo Escobar or Stalin. Escobar, while a great man who created an empire for himself, ultimately died because he made, surprise surprise a long phone call to his family that was traced to his hide out. Stalin, on the other hand, while a murderous bastard, left his mark on history and didn't even safe his own son from a German POW camp. That is a fine example for all. I disagree with his policies, but certainly we can see Stalin was a genius when it came to politics and gaining power for himself.
Escobar was a great man? A drug lord?

Stalin certainly did leave his mark on history. So did Hitler. And Pol Pot. And Anders Breivik. These are the sort of people we should look to as examples to emulate?

Your main premise is that family is a crutch. That's fine if you believe it; in fact, there might even be some merit to it. However, to use drug lords and murdering despots as your "Exhibit A" and "Exhibit B" is probably not the wisest move.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Anyone who deviates, saying "I don't want to have kids and would rather join a Zen Monastery" or "I'd rather leave modern society and go live a substance lifestyle in the Yukon" is labeled insane.
I think you mean a subsistence lifestyle?

You can live a "substance lifestyle" right at home
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:24 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Escobar was a great man? A drug lord?

Stalin certainly did leave his mark on history. So did Hitler. And Pol Pot. And Anders Breivik. These are the sort of people we should look to as examples to emulate?

Your main premise is that family is a crutch. That's fine if you believe it; in fact, there might even be some merit to it. However, to use drug lords and murdering despots as your "Exhibit A" and "Exhibit B" is probably not the wisest move.
Indeed!! Such fine examples of humanity. Lmao. I certainly cannot see the allure of predatory phsycopaths as role models for our children. The idea of turning our children out with the "sink or swim" edict? Wow. Seems to me that is exactly what breeds creature like Stalin and Escobar. Haha...under our OPs master plan we would be a race of anarchistic predators and scavengers turning on our own at the first opportunity. Funny how that tbought does not appeal to me....One wonders how a person can sit and dream of "glory" being in the shoes of Stalin.
Patton was right, we should have rolled across the Soviet Union and put Stalins head on a pike. The premise of this thread would be amusing if our dear OP did not actually believe what is being promoted in his writings.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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It is your right to believe what you want and express your beliefs peacefully. And for that, I hope that you NEVER have a family.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:01 PM
 
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I think you mean a subsistence lifestyle?

You can live a "substance lifestyle" right at home
So you attack the typo, but ignore the substance? Sounds like you can't attack the substance so you just attack the delivery, like the post debate commentators saying nothing but about how a candidate's hair looks.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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Escobar was a great man? A drug lord?

Stalin certainly did leave his mark on history. So did Hitler. And Pol Pot. And Anders Breivik. These are the sort of people we should look to as examples to emulate?

Your main premise is that family is a crutch. That's fine if you believe it; in fact, there might even be some merit to it. However, to use drug lords and murdering despots as your "Exhibit A" and "Exhibit B" is probably not the wisest move.

One man's drug lord is another man's hero, and one man's despot is another man's leader. Look at Reagan: Iran-Contra, AIDS denying, laughing at homelessness, massive deficits etc and yet people talk about how great he was all the time.

And the only reason Escobar was a drug lord was because drugs are illegal. America made him that way. He was a decent man who exported flowers. Stalin, I admit, was a murderous bum, but he can still be admired for his effectiveness.
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