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Old 10-01-2012, 04:47 PM
 
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Funny, I don't recall labeling myself an intellectual. In any case, even if I had, I would have the ability to ascertain between a semantic slip and a lack of intelligence. Moreover, I don't need to be an intellectual to understand that having fewer intelligent people around is better than being surrounded by ignoramuses. Ironically, your little drive-by stick to the ribs is precisely the type of ridiculousness that you rail against in your diatribe about San Francisco and farting.
It's not even close to the same thing. I'm pointing out factual flaws in your statement. The group I was talking about love living in their bizarre fantasy land where facts aren't real.

As an aside, you're talking down to another group of people as being non-intellectual, which would mean that you view yourself as more than that group. Therefore, fair game.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Actually, the opposite of intelligence is stupidity. The opposite of ignorant would be knowledgeable. Ignorant does not mean stupid, ignorant merely means uninformed.

Just a tip, oh mighty intellectual wonder.
Do we agree about the uninformed ignorant left leaners around here? Sure we do.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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How about supporters of our head apologist, Barack Obama? Do they really believe that the Muslims will lop off their heads last when they take over?
No. They are already fully aware that the Muslims cannot and will not take over.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:50 PM
 
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The issue I have with that is so many of the extreme left "intellectuals" are only intellectual in as much as they are able to put together grandiose words to make themselves seem significantly more well-informed than they are. The reality is, most of them are just fatuous blowhards who like the smell of their own farts and rely on their own pompousness to serve as a veil concealing their complete inability to think independently. That's not intellectual, at all.

I don't care how many fancy mansion dinner parties they go to in San Francisco where they blather on endlessly about how it's so nice to be in a city full of forward-thinking intellectuals as opposed to knuckle-dragging conservatives (all while consciously ignoring the sad state their city is in), they're just as woefully ignorant as the guy living in a trailer that has 23 kids.
Such people aren't intellectuals, they're a**holes and a**holes are well-represented at every intellectual stratum.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Perhaps all Fabians are intellectual, but not all intellectuals are Fabians.
Did you have the word, not, in that sentence? I guess I missed it but I read it twice. Maybe you need to go back and look, but I will just for you. Nope, couldn't find it.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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My first wife said she was an intellectual. She was always finding things for me to do.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Republicans specifically are anti-intellectual. Democrats do pander to the dummies too but for conservatives, its a shameful thing to be well read and articulate, people think you're a rabble rousing homosexual if you sound intelligent and talk about stuff other than sports. Try being an intellectual in any conservative rural area, people will generally hate and avoid you no matter how nice you are. You have to pretend you're stupider than you are to get along.
When I first came to this rural area I often heard the farmers talking about "book smarts" not being equal to common sense and never passed up a chance to prove to them that they were wrong. I was a Democrat back then but still tore into those Republicans of the farm bent. I was never accused of being a homosexual, though, although I wasn't married at the time. What does it take to be accused of that?
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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It's not even close to the same thing. I'm pointing out factual flaws in your statement. The group I was talking about love living in their bizarre fantasy land where facts aren't real.

As an aside, you're talking down to another group of people as being non-intellectual, which would mean that you view yourself as more than that group. Therefore, fair game.
I think I could fairly convincingly argue from the side of a neo-conservative GW Bush supporter; that doesn't mean that I am one. This is one of the beauties of the Internet.
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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One of the first steps that dictators take is to eliminate the intelligentsia. The reason is obvious: Intellectuals will ask difficult questions that said dictators don't want to have to answer. It's much easier just wiping them out or sending them to a work camp.

Would you say that modern political parties are anti-intellectual? If so, why?

Isn't this a concerning trend?
I believe that was more the case before the benefits of industrialization and a stable economy became more apparent.

Consider, for for example, Mexico where, after a quarter-century of vioence in which every strongman was overthrown and killed, a moderately left-leaning intelligentsia ruled (in alliance with the oderately-educated old wealth), for over seventy years under a one-party system. It's worth noting as well, that in an overwhelmingy Catholic country, this droup did not have the support oof the Chuurch; many of its high-ranking leaders reportedly were Freemasons.

An opposition party existed, and it was both well-educated and monied, but it was easily depicted as representtive only of the "idle rich". Interestingly enough, The coalition that finally succeding in outvoting it consisted of the old-line conservatives, the extreme Left, and a growing middle class.

Violent coups have, in recent uears, been limited mostly to the Third World -- usually fueled by tribal loyalties as in Rwanda. And the violence in both the Middle East and the former Yugoslavia was not structured along educational or economic-status parameters. The demonstrators were young and, by prevailing standards, bettter-educated.

There's no threat of being purged when you can siomply be outvoted by sheer ignorance/complacency and weight of numbers. And I think some of the leadership of both major American parties thinks along the same lines.
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:11 PM
 
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Believe it or not, but the conservative thought once had protagonists with the likes of Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell, but as of recent times, it got hijacked by radio personalties and opportunistic blowhards like Peter Schiff.
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