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Old 11-02-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: New York metropolitan area
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You have a crazy notion of freedom. You want to suppress anyone not christian and make them bow down to its rules, that is not freedom, it is dictatorship in its purest form.
Absolutely not. Christianity = Peaceful and Freedom. You should always thank us Christians, and all predominately Christian nations who are well-known worldwide for freedom and peace that let non-Christians worship freely and in peaceful.

I never said I want to suppress anyone who isn't Christian. I just asked them to respect us, and our Christian history and culture in this nation. They are welcome to worship as they want, but don't come and attack us!

 
Old 11-02-2012, 09:01 AM
 
Location: New York metropolitan area
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Maybe christians should be banned from holding office, they are so radical, they want to suppress everyones opionions or beliefs except for their own. Politics should be separate from religion, one should not judge another for not being the same wether it is religion, sex, economic situation, race or sexuality.
Perhaps you may want to read up America's constitution, and First Amendment.

"Freedom of Religion" <--- One of the First Amendment.

Christians have the right to express their opinion and belief in politics and anywhere in public.
If they want to mention God, they are more than welcome to do so. If not, it's up to them.
Majority of people wants God and religion in politic, so you should expect it be.
 
Old 11-02-2012, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Absolutely not. Christianity = Peaceful and Freedom. You should always thank us Christians, and all predominately Christian nations who are well-known worldwide for freedom and peace that let non-Christians worship freely and in peaceful.

I never said I want to suppress anyone who isn't Christian. I just asked them to respect us, and our Christian history and culture in this nation. They are welcome to worship as they want, but don't come and attack us!
Nunnor, yes you did. Remember your bragging about vandalizing a car with an atheist sticker on it? That's a form of terrorism. Your intention is to suppress atheists, or you wouldn't have done that, or stated that. Cut the b.s. You want a theocracy with a powerful central government, or you want to make it so there are no limits on the ways the majority can suppress the minority.

How about if I just sacked your government if you didn't let me worship freely and peacefully, instead? I'm a coward, and would probably never risk my life for anything, but I like to think I would to keep blasphemy laws out of my home. I understand this is your holy land, but this is also my home. Now tighter anti-hate speech laws could be understandible...perhaps, although I'm no fan of wanton censorship.

Hmmm...you want big government centered around a national ideal, or you want to ignore minorities in the interest of the greater good, and you like censorship of information (blasphemy law). You sound more like a communist than the only socialist I've met...

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Old 11-03-2012, 12:15 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Absolutely not. Christianity = Peaceful and Freedom. You should always thank us Christians, and all predominately Christian nations who are well-known worldwide for freedom and peace that let non-Christians worship freely and in peaceful.

I never said I want to suppress anyone who isn't Christian. I just asked them to respect us, and our Christian history and culture in this nation. They are welcome to worship as they want, but don't come and attack us!
Sure, christians "let" non christians worship and "welcome" others to worship as they want. The problem is still that christians think they are the definitive. They are not, they are one of many different religions. They have throughout history gone from country to country proselytizing. Even when they are not wanted, they do it with their missions, teaching with their bibles. Why can't you just leave others along and let them have faith in their own beliefs? It is Freedom of religion and Freedom "FROM" religion.
 
Old 11-03-2012, 12:17 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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perhaps you may want to read up america's constitution, and first amendment.

"freedom of religion" <--- one of the first amendment.

Christians have the right to express their opinion and belief in politics and anywhere in public.
If they want to mention god, they are more than welcome to do so. If not, it's up to them.
Majority of people wants god and religion in politic, so you should expect it be.
"separation of church and state"
 
Old 11-03-2012, 12:45 AM
 
Location: Hyrule
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What's wrong with change? More and more people are claiming no belief or affiliation. Non belief. When that reaches majority church and state will be a separate deal. Things change when people change. We don't still burn people we assume are witches do we? I call this progress.


"According to the American Religious Identification Survey… the percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 percentage points since 1990, from 86 to 76 percent. The Jewish population is 1.2 percent; the Muslim, 0.6 percent. A separate Pew Forum poll echoed the ARIS finding, reporting that the percentage of people who say they are unaffiliated with any particular faith has doubled in recent years, to 16 percent; in terms of voting, this group grew from 5 percent in 1988 to 12 percent in 2008–roughly the same percentage of the electorate as African-Americans. (Seventy-five percent of unaffiliated voters chose Barack Obama, a Christian.) Meanwhile, the number of people willing to describe themselves as atheist or agnostic has increased about fourfold from 1990 to 2009, from 1 million to about 3.6 million. (That is about double the number of, say, Episcopalians in the United States.)"
Christian America shrinking and expanding at the same time | David Horsey Cartoons and Commentary - seattlepi.com

Meacham: The End of Christian America - Newsweek and The Daily Beast
 
Old 11-03-2012, 08:16 AM
 
Location: New York metropolitan area
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Nunnor, yes you did. Remember your bragging about vandalizing a car with an atheist sticker on it? That's a form of terrorism. Your intention is to suppress atheists, or you wouldn't have done that, or stated that. Cut the b.s. You want a theocracy with a powerful central government, or you want to make it so there are no limits on the ways the majority can suppress the minority.

How about if I just sacked your government if you didn't let me worship freely and peacefully, instead? I'm a coward, and would probably never risk my life for anything, but I like to think I would to keep blasphemy laws out of my home. I understand this is your holy land, but this is also my home. Now tighter anti-hate speech laws could be understandible...perhaps, although I'm no fan of wanton censorship.

Hmmm...you want big government centered around a national ideal, or you want to ignore minorities in the interest of the greater good, and you like censorship of information (blasphemy law). You sound more like a communist than the only socialist I've met...
First of all why don't you want blasphemy law? So you like when people attack Christians, Christianity, and Jesus? It's always the minority that suppress the majority. I never said I vandalized the car, I heard someone did it at my local mall. I did however remove the disgusting hate speech sticker!
 
Old 11-03-2012, 08:18 AM
 
Location: New York metropolitan area
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"separation of church and state"
It's all BS anyway.... You really believe we have that?
 
Old 11-03-2012, 08:22 AM
 
Location: New York metropolitan area
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What's wrong with change? More and more people are claiming no belief or affiliation. Non belief. When that reaches majority church and state will be a separate deal. Things change when people change. We don't still burn people we assume are witches do we? I call this progress.


"According to the American Religious Identification Survey… the percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 percentage points since 1990, from 86 to 76 percent. The Jewish population is 1.2 percent; the Muslim, 0.6 percent. A separate Pew Forum poll echoed the ARIS finding, reporting that the percentage of people who say they are unaffiliated with any particular faith has doubled in recent years, to 16 percent; in terms of voting, this group grew from 5 percent in 1988 to 12 percent in 2008–roughly the same percentage of the electorate as African-Americans. (Seventy-five percent of unaffiliated voters chose Barack Obama, a Christian.) Meanwhile, the number of people willing to describe themselves as atheist or agnostic has increased about fourfold from 1990 to 2009, from 1 million to about 3.6 million. (That is about double the number of, say, Episcopalians in the United States.)"
Christian America shrinking and expanding at the same time | David Horsey Cartoons and Commentary - seattlepi.com

Meacham: The End of Christian America - Newsweek and The Daily Beast
This poll is all non-sense.... You cannot assume what 312+ million Americans religious belief are when you only ask few thousand random people. Some websites (like this) are dominated by nonbelievers so it is not fair to assume now most Americans are nonbelievers...

Around 80% of Americans are Christians... Percentage-wise got slightly lower due to high rise of immigration from non-Christian countries which needs to be stopped!
 
Old 11-03-2012, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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First of all why don't you want blasphemy law? So you like when people attack Christians, Christianity, and Jesus? It's always the minority that suppress the majority. I never said I vandalized the car, I heard someone did it at my local mall. I did however remove the disgusting hate speech sticker!
Scraping a decal off of someones personal property without their permission is vandalism.
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