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Originally Posted by Mikelee81
Americans are asleep at the wheel. These politician parties have both sold out this country to special interests with a Global agenda.
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Uh, it is BRIC who are the "globalists" gallivanting around the world doing the Christian things that the US refused to do.
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Originally Posted by Mikelee81
It is all Biblical Prophecy. Put your faith in the Rock Jesus Christ not sinking sand politicians speaking lies with false promises.
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John 5:31 Jesus: “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true."
John 8:14 Jesus answered,“Even if I testify about myself, my testimony is true..."
Jesus waffles and flip-flops just like a politician.
Biblically...
Mircea
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Originally Posted by geeoro
Hopefully the affordable care act is the first step towrds a Govt. funded UHC.
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Government funded? Uh, where do government funds come from?
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Originally Posted by geeoro
UHC's work and work well and are cheaper than the now "past its sell by date" Insurance run health sysem here.
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And why are other countries able to have some form of universal health care? There is a reason. Do you know what that reason is?
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Originally Posted by geeoro
The unemployed lose their health insurance when they lose their jobs but they still get ill and need health cover.
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You're very perceptive.
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Originally Posted by geeoro
Employers should NOT be responsible for employees health care. This will lead to higher wages.
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Are you sure?
There are two reasons why employers provide health plan coverage. The first reason is that FDR enacted a Soviet-style Wage & Price Freeze, so the only way to provide more compensation to employees was in the form of benefits, like health plan coverage.
At the time, there were no group health plans, and all health plans were offered through hospitals. You simply told your employer the details of your health plan, and your employer cut a check to pay for it.
That changed with the introduction of tax subsidies for both employers and employees.
Let's time warp to the 1950s to see the tax brackets....
20.0%___ $0 to $2,000
22.0%___ $2,000 to $4,000
26.0%___ $4,000 to $6,000
30.0%___ $6,000 to $8,000
34.0%___ $8,000 to $10,000
...as you can see, taking health plan coverage in lieu of wage increases was cheaper.
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Originally Posted by geeoro
Insurance companies should NOT control our health needs.
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Then who should control them? Government? Because we all know what a wonderful mess government makes over everything.
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Originally Posted by geeoro
Wealth should NOT be the criteria for health care.
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Then what should be the criteria? How much does Medicare spend per person per year? That's easy....$13,000
Is that a lot? Does $13,000 per person per year seem reasonable?
That comes to $4.082 TRILLION per year. Do you have that kind of money? And what is the cost over 75 years?
$314 TRILLION.
You can't even come up with $20.5 TRILLION in 2012 US Dollars to pay for Social Security for 75 years through 2090, how in the hell are you going to come up with $314 TRILLION?
Can I get at least one Liberal to answer that?
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Originally Posted by geeoro
All of the other industrialised nations do not have this archaic system for their health care. WHY? because it is inneficient and expensive and puts a burden of health care on employers, yet America embraces this awful system.
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And why? Tell us why? I'll tell you why, because the American Hospital Association interferes in the health care system with its is Robber Baron Monopolistic Health Care Cartels.
What is stopping America from having an affordable highly efficient, highly cost effective Clinic Model
like Europe?
The American Hospital Association who wrote much of Obamacare with the IRS and a few other turds that nobody elected.
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Originally Posted by geeoro
NO ONE under a UHC goes bankrupt from health care costs and NO Country using a UHC is having this debate about health care because UHC's work for their Citizens.
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Uh, they don't have 6 carrier battle groups and 3 amphibious assault groups plying the world's oceans protecting the Petro-Dollar either.
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Originally Posted by geeoro
We pay mandatory taxes for other things but to have a tax for our most important need..... our health.... is wrong here because the Insurance companies are afraid that the mega bucks they earn from people's suffering will not be so mega with a UHC.
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Insurance companies are not the problem. It doesn't appear you understand the problem. You're like a lot of tin-foil-hat people who constantly whine about the Federal Reserve.
Who creates the annual budget deficits that drive up your National Debt? That would be Congress and the President, not the Federal Reserve.
Who elects the idiot Congress and President who recklessly spends money that drives up the National Debt? That would be you.
The Federal Reserve neither elects the Congress nor the President, nor does it create the budget deficits, but it is left in the position of having to fix the mess that you and your Congress and your President made.
The same is true for "health insurance" (snicker) companies.
The health plan providers are not responsible for the plethora of medical technology that comes to market which drives up the cost of health care; nor are they responsible for the over-use, the misuse, the abuse or the redundancy of such medical technology that drives up the cost of health care; nor are they responsible for the actions of the American Hospital Association who drives up the cost of health care; nor are they responsible government tax subsidies to employers and employees that drives up the cost of health care; nor are they responsible for the perpetuation of the archaic, obsolete Hospital Model that the US uses, which drives up the cost of health care; nor are they responsible for the stupid and unrealistic attitude of Americans toward health care -- feeling good -- which drives up the cost of health care; and they are not responsible for the fact that Americans drive up the cost of health care through their own stupid actions.
But, like the Federal Reserve, they try to fix the problems you cause.
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Originally Posted by geeoro
The unemployed and employed and employers will ALL benefit from a UHC and no one will have to ever worry about gettng health care or going bankrupt or losng their loved ones or homes because of health care costs, whether unemployed or not.
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You won't benefit.
The CBO estimates 800,000 permanent job losses. I estimate about 1.3 Million to 1.6 Million job losses initially, with more to follow.
Give how I said (in 2010) your unemployment rate would not be 5% until the end of the decade, and your CBO said "October 2012" in 2010 and then changed that to "December 2016" in 2011, and then changed that to "~2018" in the first part of 2012 and is now saying the end of the decade, I'd pay attention to my estimates if I would be you, especially since I don't use their stupid Birth/Death Model.
Financially...
Mircea
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