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Old 10-05-2012, 01:59 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by Jaymax View Post
It's not taking away the parent's rights.

It's stopping state-licensed therapists from using so-called 'reparative' or 'conversion' therapy on minors. It has been proven to be not only ineffective but harmful. It also prevents these quacks from making fraudulent claims about this scientifically unsupported and harmful practice as they are required to obtain INFORMED consent from adults who still wish to try this religiously motivated quackery. Informed consent means the therapist has to provide a client with valid information from the major health organizations which includes it's lack of efficacy and risks of harm, and the client has to sign a consent form. (Not that obtaining informed consent isn't normal practice for any ethical therapist anyway).

All the major health organizations have been warning about this type of 'therapy' for some time. Unfortunately, because there are unethical therapists out there who place their religious beliefs above the evidence and above the welfare of their clients, the State needs to stop these quacks from harming minors.
You are so wrong and it is dispicable that you are posting misinformation that might prevent people who are suffering from getting much needed help.

This law is a massive intrusion on parent rights - and it will be harmful to many children in the long run.

You should be ashamed to support a piece of legislation that is harmful to children and families.

 
Old 10-05-2012, 02:01 AM
 
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It's really very pointless going down this route because you are making a moot comparison.
It isn't a "moot" comparison. You want to say that Gay men have anal sex, and want us to ignore that heterosexuals do it as well

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the issue is man having sex with man, this is what some people disapprove of.
So freaking what? Those people are closed minded bigots and need to grow the hell up.

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Whether the same action is practised in hetero manner as well, is beside the point.
No it isn't. People who use the "anal sex is bad" argument is showing how weak their position is because the fact that anal sex is practiced by heterosexuals as well as lesbians.
 
Old 10-05-2012, 02:04 AM
 
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You are so wrong and it is dispicable that you are posting misinformation that might prevent people who are suffering from getting much needed help.
You are so wrong, that its completely disgusting. To rely on shoddy research, done by the VERY hate group that is hell bent on lying about what the therapy actually does and believe that its helpful.

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This law is a massive intrusion on parent rights - and it will be harmful to many children in the long run.
No, the harm is subjecting children to this kind of unethical psychological abuse.

There are alot of laws in place that are a "massive intrusion on parental rights" . Like the laws that says a parent beating their kid to near death, is considered child abuse.

GAY REVERSION therapy is ABUSE.

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You should be ashamed to support a piece of legislation that is harmful to children and families.
Only gay haters believe that this is harmful to families and children.
 
Old 10-05-2012, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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More importantly, a child should be protected from damaging quack "therapy".
We aren't discussing "quack therapy" - we are talking about conversion therapy - which anyone who cares about children should support.
 
Old 10-05-2012, 02:06 AM
 
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No it is not - it is the state's job to secure the unalienable rights of its citizens.

A child should not have the opportunity to receive neccesary therapy taken away from them.
They aren't having 'necessary' therapy taken away from them. Children/teens can still get therapy if they have issues with being homosexual or are confused etc.

State licenced Therapists are restricted from using 'conversion' therapy on minors bacause all the major health organizations have stated that it is harmful, unneccessary, and ineffective treatment. This stance is based on evidence which is presented in the APA's 2009 report on Sexual Orientation Change Efforts

Homophobic religious parents can still take their gay or lesbian children to see an unlicenced/non-registered, unethical, incompetent quack and spend thousands of dollars reinforcing the self-hatred that they have taught their children.

When the bogus therapy doesn't work, the parents might get lucky and their teen will commit suicide - which will save them the effort of disowning them and kicking them out on the street.
 
Old 10-05-2012, 02:07 AM
 
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We aren't discussing "quack therapy" - we are talking about conversion therapy -
Conversion therapy IS Quack therapy. Even the founder and biggest supporter of the therapy says its compete bovine excrement.

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which anyone who cares about children should support.
Anyone who carees about children, would love them no matter who they are (gay or straight) not subject them to proven psychological abuse at the hands of a anti-gay hate group.
 
Old 10-05-2012, 02:07 AM
 
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says the bible thumper who continues to think that God is real.
God is real - why would you say anything to the contrary?

 
Old 10-05-2012, 02:13 AM
 
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We aren't discussing "quack therapy" - we are talking about conversion therapy - which anyone who cares about children should support.
"Conversion' therapy IS quack therapy. There is no scientifically valid evidence to support it.

Even Dr Robert Spitzer has retracted his 2001 study of religiously motivated 'ex-gays'. That's pretty much the only published study these people had to support their views - other than the Yarhouse study which doesn't actually show what they claim it does.

His study has been misrepresented by the 'pray-away-the-gay' groups to support 'conversion' or 'reparative' therapy. Dr Spitzer has now apologized earlier this year for all the harm that has been done using his study.

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The president of Exodus (Alan Chambers), one of the largest 'ex-gay' groups, has also stated earlier this year that 99.9% of Exodus members did not change their sexual orientation.

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A new study by conservative Christian psychologists on people in mixed orientation marriages has found that while sexual behavior can change, sexual orientation does not.


“Characteristics of Mixed Orientation Couples: An Empirical Study"

http://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/15/new-study-sexual-behavior-changes-but-not-sexual-orientation/

"While it was not a study of efforts to change, one could reasonably assume that if a group had participants who had shifted orientation very much, then this would be the group. However, that is not what they found"

Conservative Christian psychologist Dr Throckmorton says: "I think evangelicals need to face what evangelical academics are finding in research"




The whole 'ex-gay' house of cards is falling down
 
Old 10-05-2012, 02:16 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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A distortion of what the law actually says, and you know it. So you are purosefully lying when you say this.



Another lie. Why do you gay bashers have to lie?
Because I am not lying - and you should be ashamed of yourself for slandering me.

State law in California requires schoolchildren to be taught homosexual history. You know it and I know it - so why you would deny it says a lot about the liberal mind - they have to back off from their polices in order for them to be deemed acceptable.

Imagine that - not fully supporting something that you wish to be enacted into law.

Wow.
 
Old 10-05-2012, 02:25 AM
 
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Because I am not lying - and you should be ashamed of yourself for slandering me.
Yes you are. The law doesn't require to teach homosexual sex. It says that sex education needs to cover all aspects of sex, and that homosexuality is part of society. You are deliberately misrepresenting the law, and misrepresenting what sex education in school will teach.

And you also ignore that parents can still have their children OPT OUT of taking sex education in school

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State law in California requires schoolchildren to be taught homosexual history.
False. I have the curriculum from my niece's school and she will be receiving sex education this year. She will be taught was sex is, the biological functions of a womans' body. The functions of a man's body, what her period means, and concentrate on safe sex.

The "homsexual history" is another distortion on your part, as the only mention of homosexuals and history has to do with HISTORY. That some of the more famous history makers were actually gay. But that topic will be taught in HIGH SCHOOL (by that point, we HOPE that most children have a GRASP of what sex is).



I suggest that before you spread more misinformation, you contact your local elementary and high school. It seems that you are not familiar with their curriculum
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