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I'd like to clarify something, perhaps it is lost in the discussion. I have no problem with being gay, I like gay people, I work with several. Now that said, when any group of people starts waving their hands in my face telling me that I as a member of society am persecuting them and then goes on to describe all their petty little problems to me in order that I personally address them, my opinion/respect/empathy towards them rapidly begins to tank, and I start to become critical of their opinions and doubting of their worldviews, I don't consider that bigotry.
I'd like to clarify something, perhaps it is lost in the discussion. I have no problem with being gay, I like gay people, I work with several. Now that said, when any group of people starts waving their hands in my face telling me that I as a member of society am persecuting them and then goes on to describe all their petty little problems to me in order that I personally address them, my opinion/respect/empathy towards them rapidly begins to tank, and I start to become critical of their opinions and doubting of their worldviews, I don't consider that bigotry.
LOL... working with gay people doesn't preclude you from ignorance, nor does it mean you like them. Maybe you really do like them, I have no idea. But I have to laugh whenever somebody uses the old "I don't hate *insert demographic* - I work with a few, and have never given them a hard time!" Well, I hope even the fattest bigot in the country would be able to control themselves at work.
But whether you dislike them or not, you are clearly quite uninformed about homosexuality and gay people. And your scenario described is about an individual behavior, so I'm not sure how it relates to gay rights or the gay community in general. So yeah, that kind of is the definition of prejudice (judging an entire group based on the actions of one).
I'd like to clarify something, perhaps it is lost in the discussion. I have no problem with being gay, I like gay people, I work with several. Now that said, when any group of people starts waving their hands in my face telling me that I as a member of society am persecuting them and then goes on to describe all their petty little problems to me in order that I personally address them, my opinion/respect/empathy towards them rapidly begins to tank, and I start to become critical of their opinions and doubting of their worldviews, I don't consider that bigotry.
I didn't hear anyone ask you to do anything to "personally address" anyone's problems.
On the other hand, if you consider the desire for fair treatment under the law to be someone's "petty little problems" then that is undoubtedly a sign of your bigotry.
But whether you dislike them or not, you are clearly quite uninformed about homosexuality and gay people. And your scenario described is about an individual behavior, so I'm not sure how it relates to gay rights or the gay community in general. So yeah, that kind of is the definition of prejudice (judging an entire group based on the actions of one).
The gay community or rather 'gay activists' are the ones waving their arms in my face gizmo.
That's who I am critical of, not with individual gay people whom I see no differently than anyone else.
Really its 'activists' in general with whom I have a problem with.
The gay community or rather 'gay activists' are the ones waving their arms in my face gizmo.
That's who I am critical of, not with individual gay people whom I see no differently than anyone else.
Really its 'activists' in general with whom I have a problem with.
Okay, but activists from all walks of life exist - and you have the freedom to ignore them, just as I do in many cases (it's more common here than in most regions). At the same time, they have every right to BE activists, especially when they really have been oppressed & shamed throughout history.
I am Jewish, and one of the reasons I'm so sympathetic to the gay rights issue is because we share that historical bond... they died right beside us in the Holocaust, and remaining silent only perpetuates these actions. As we say in the Jewish culture, "Never forget." And when they face constant hate and bigotry, as displayed on this very thread, do you expect them to pretend it's not happening?
Now that said, when any group of people starts waving their hands in my face telling me that I as a member of society am persecuting them and then goes on to describe all their petty little problems to me in order that I personally address them, my opinion/respect/empathy towards them rapidly begins to tank, and I start to become critical of their opinions and doubting of their worldviews, I don't consider that bigotry.
No, if they did that they would simply be obnoxious homosexuals, or obnoxious (fill in the blank--whatever)s. But in reality, I don't know many people who actually do what you're describing.
On the contrary, if gayness is genetic than after generations of openly embraced gayness eventually you will go extinct. The gay community already sees normal humans as 'breeders' who are killing the planet with over population. There is absolutely no trend of gay people having children, nor any glimpses on the horizon of one.
If however it is learned/chosen behavior and not a born condition, well...we will know soon enough wont we.
Straight people create gays, not gay people. Gays have existed for all of history, and will continue to so long as evolution dictates it's beneficial for a population to have them.
So is it safe to say that being gay is a birth defect? Surely a man is not suppose to be born with the dna that would cause him to be attracted to and prefer a man as a sexual partner over that of a woman and vice versa. The same as any other birth defect such as down syndrome. Its something that is not natural.
Homosexual behaviour is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom; the phenomenon is not only widespread but part of a necessary biological adaptation for the survival of the species.
Sounds completely natural to me. You know what isn't natural? Homophobia and bigotry. That can only be taught.
Or by your logic, are you claiming the entire animal kingdom is unnatural and all suffer from birth defects on a planetary scale?
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