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Old 10-09-2012, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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It is by far fiction. If anyone whats to find out what Black Liberation Theology is . Many sites are cleaning up what Cone believes but there are many who still have his references of what Black Liberation Theology is. Since Obama and Reverend Wright came to the forefront they are trying to clean up their belief system because it is so hateful.

Black liberation theology is closely related to the broader phenomenon of liberation theology, which calls for social activism, class struggle, and even violent revolution aimed at overturning the “capitalist oppressors of the poor” and installing, in its place, a socialist utopia that will finally enfranchise the poor and downtrodden. As an extension of this movement, black liberation theology similarly seeks to foment Marxist revolutionary fervor but one founded on racial rather than class solidarity.

A clear definition of black liberation theology was first given formulation in 1969 by the National Committee of Black Church Men:
"Black theology is a theology of black liberation. It seeks to plumb the black condition in the light of God's revelation in Jesus Christ, so that the black community can see that the gospel is commensurate with the achievements of black humanity. Black theology is a theology of 'blackness.' It is the affirmation of black humanity that emancipates black people from White racism, thus providing authentic freedom for both white and black people. It affirms the humanity of white people in that it says 'No' to the encroachment of white oppression."
The chief architect of black liberation theology was James Cone, author of Black Theology and Black Power. One of the tasks of this movement, according to Cone, is to analyze the nature of the gospel of Jesus Christ in light of the experience of blacks who have long been victimized by white oppressors. According to black liberation theology, the inherent racism of white people precludes them from being able to recognize the humanity of nonwhites; moreover, their white supremacist orientation allegedly results in the establishment of a "white theology" that is irrevocably disconnected from the black experience. Consequently, liberation theologians contend that blacks need their own, race-specific theology to affirm their identity and their worth.

“What we need,” says Cone, “is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of Black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.” Observing that America was founded for white people, Cone calls for “the destruction of whiteness, which is the source of human misery in the world.” He advocates the use of Marxism as a tool of social analysis to help Christians to see "how things really are."

Another prominent exponent of black liberation theology is the Ivy League professor Cornel West, who calls for "a serious dialogue between Black theologians and Marxist thinkers" -- a dialogue that centers on the possibility of "mutually arrived-at political action."

Black liberation theology entered the public consciousness in 2008 when the media focused on the racist sermons of Barack Obama’s minister Jeremiah Wright, a strong adherent of the movement.


Black Liberation Theology - Discover the Networks
So which is it?

"The blacks believe not in the brotherhood of blacks and whites coming together, which was the message of Martin Luther King, but the power of blacks to dominate because the white are their oppressors ."

OR

A clear definition of black liberation theology was first given formulation in 1969 by the National Committee of Black Church Men:
"Black theology is a theology of black liberation. It seeks to plumb the black condition in the light of God's revelation in Jesus Christ, so that the black community can see that the gospel is commensurate with the achievements of black humanity. Black theology is a theology of 'blackness.' It is the affirmation of black humanity that emancipates black people from White racism, thus providing authentic freedom for both white and black people. It affirms the humanity of white people in that it says 'No' to the encroachment of white oppression."

Rev. Wright speaking on Black Liberation Theology at the NPC in 2008

The prophetic theology of the black church has always seen and still sees all of God's children as sisters and brothers, equals who need reconciliation, who need to be reconciled as equals in order for us to walk together into the future which God has prepared for us. Reconciliation does not mean that blacks become whites or whites become blacks and Hispanics become Asian or that Asians become Europeans.
Reconciliation means we embrace our individual rich histories, all of them. We retain who we are as persons of different cultures, while acknowledging that those of other cultures are not superior or inferior to us. They are just different from us.
We root out any teaching of superiority, inferiority, hatred, or prejudice.
And we recognize for the first time in modern history in the West that the other who stands before us with a different color of skin, a different texture of hair, different music, different preaching styles, and different dance moves, that other is one of God's children just as we are, no better, no worse, prone to error and in need of forgiveness, just as we are.
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Old 10-09-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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Okay where do I begin on this one?
Being that Jesus was a middle eastern man with dark features preaching about loving your enemy, I doubt you follow him
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:01 PM
 
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Black liberation theology is the affirmation of Black humanity that emancipates black people from White racism. Based on victimology, it is essentially a highly selective interpretation of the Gospels in an attempt to co-opt Christianity to promote Communism and Marxism. Black Liberation Theology was coined by James H. Cone, PhD. in 1970, now teaching at New York's Union Theological Seminary. It is to reject the idea of God's universal nature in favor of race-based critique of theological provenance.
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Liberation Theology

The idea of Liberation Theology came from supporters in Latin America and South America. Many in Liberation Theology movement realized that Christianity in its current form cannot be defeated. By selective interpretation, it was used by radical priests and nuns who supported the oppressed people and liberating revolutionaries; Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, the Shining Path terrorists in Peru and the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.
James H. Cone, PhD

James H. Cone is the chief architect of Black Liberation Theology and wrote about the movement in his many books. As stated "Black Liberation Theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the Black community. If God is not for us and against White people, then he is a murderer and we had better kill him (God). Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the White enemy. What we need is the Divine love expressed in Black power. Which is the power of Black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity we must reject his love.
Ties To Marxism

Black Theology of Liberation by Cone laid the foundation for many to embrace Marxism and a distorted self-image of the perpetual "victim." "The Christian faith does not possess in its nature the means for analyzing the structure of capitalism. Marxism as a tool of social analysis can disclose the gap between appearance and reality, and thereby help Christians to see how things really are."
This victim identity invites a distorted view of reality, fosters nihilism, and divides rather than unites.
In 1979, Cornel West offered a critical integration of Marxism and black theology in his essay, "Black Theology and Marxist Thought." West calls for "a serious dialogue between Black theologians and Marxist thinkers." In his book, West believes that by working together, Marxists and black theologians can spearhead much-needed social change for those who are victims of oppression. [1]
Reverend Jeremiah Wright

Jeremiah Wright himself is a supporter of the Nation of Islam that latched onto the views of two race-based theologists, Dwight Hopkins and James H. Cone. Rev. Wright's statements are the heart of this theology. "Jesus was a poor black man" because he lived in oppression at the hands of "rich white people." The government is responsible for infecting blacks with HIV. Barack Hussein Obama's spiritual mentor of twenty years, Rev. Wright taught victimology, race-based theology mixed with Christianity.
See also: Barack Obama and Liberation Theology.



Black liberation theology - Conservapedia
There is just so much wrong in the above writeup. Rev. Wright is not a supporter of NOI. Just because he doesn't engage in demonization of the NOI doesn't make him a supporter. Trinity's motto which includes the phrase "Unapologetically Christian" is a direct response to the NOI. Rev. Wright built a Church that is engaged in assisting people overcoming whatever issues are currently holding them back. This is hardly victimology.

Dr. Cone in the end rejects Marxism for the very practical reason that he has never seen a successful Marxist state.

What I've marked in red is a bad quotation, it is not what Dr. Cone wrote.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:06 PM
 
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Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)

1 Timothy 1:8-10
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine ... (ESV)

Jude 7
And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment. (NIV)

Is this supposed to mean something? I follow Christ. I don't follow Leviticus or Jude or Timothy...
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:06 PM
 
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We know he was not for promoting the gay lifestyle.
Are there any statements attributed to Jesus about the "gay lifestyle?"
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:09 PM
 
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It is by far fiction...
It seems we do agree on something.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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...This is not the talk of someone who is a Christian. There are not many paths to the same place...
Only made it to post #7 before someone trotted out the No True Scotsman fallacy, eh? Not surprising.

Who, pray tell, is the arbiter of who is and isn't a Christian, DRob?


Also, can you explain the bit about there not being many paths to the same place?
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:35 PM
 
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Most people don't join a church to follow Jesus, they join a church because they like some other aspect about it...usually social. Sometimes proximity. Sometimes becasue of a superstar minister, which is how mega churches came to be. Church is for the human part of you more than the spiritual. You don't need a church to follow Jesus.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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We understand it perfectly well.

Humans are the supreme being and we have a morals, conscious, and intelligence. We are the supreme beings.

All those factors indicate homosexuality is wrong.
Only ignorant bigots believe that. The actual Supreme human beings believe no such thing.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)

1 Timothy 1:8-10
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine ... (ESV)

Jude 7
And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment. (NIV)
Good job you can quote passages out of context in the wrong language! Homosexuality wasn't even added to Corinthians until 1958. Scholars have already proven it means no such thing.

Why do you condemn gays with Leviticus and ignore the rest of the Torah?

Exodus 35:2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

You know nothing about the Bible.
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