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Plenty of women would like to get into higher paying fields like construction, carpentry and commercial fishing. The trouble is, most women are shut out of those fields. The few who do manage to get in are often subject to bullying and harassment by men who resent women intruding on what they consider male turf. Yet another thing feminists still have to complain about.
I thought women were equal? If women are the same then harassment doesn't really exist in more quantity. If it happens more often then the whole equality theorem falls apart.
And I wonder where the men will find jobs who are displaced? Working with children?
To hell with that noise. "Equal pay" is the feminism of the upper-middle class women, the Seven Sisters women, the privileged ladies who lunch while the nanny or au pair looks after the kids.
Working women's feminism is fair access to health care, substantial family leave, and pre-K programs - those are the priorities of women in the real world.
I guess I'm not a woman in the real world then.
You funny.
I am perceived as a man sometimes, and as a woman other times. The fact that I can tell how people perceive me based on how they treat me is a testament to the fact that sexism still exists today. As long as there is a discernible difference between how men and women are treated, there will be a need for feminism.
Your logic only.
You're making it up.
Pretty simple.
How do you know they are feminists?
Some people do everything.
Tell me, do you judge men as harshly and with no proof of things to support your politics?
I don't think so and I stand by my comments.
By reasonable logic.
It's no more making it up than to conclude some people are racist and some people aren't.
I already answered how I know they're feminists recall:
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Originally Posted by udolipixie
I know they're feminists by their definition because they identify as feminists and participate in feminist activists groups. Perhaps they're not feminists by your definition or others however they are feminists by their definition.
I already answered on if I judge guys as harshly recall:
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Originally Posted by udolipixie
I have done into this much detail when I talk about guys since guys and gals can be feminists. Though if you're under the impression that only gals can be feminists in the post you quoted me saying 'some men are racists and some aren't' is going into as much detail as me saying 'some feminists believe in equality and some believe in scapegoating men.'
Seems you also lack reading comprehension as well as have an issue that some feminists believe in equality and some feminists believe in scapegoating guys.
Seems you also lack reading comprehension as well as have an issue that some feminists believe in equality and some feminists believe in scapegoating guys.
Yes, just like some vegetarians eat and promote the consumption of beef. Because "by their definition" a vegetarian is someone who eats meat, I feel ya. I see your logic now. And I like this thread! Things get very entertaining when we disregard what the dictionary says about what a word means... Or should I say, "...what the toothbrush says"?
Yes, just like some vegetarians eat and promote the consumption of beef. Because "by their definition" a vegetarian is someone who eats meat, I feel ya. I see your logic now. And I like this thread! Things get very entertaining when we disregard what the dictionary says about what a word means... Or should I say, "...what the toothbrush says"?
Not at all seems you're overreaching again as you did with the race analogy. Race is a scientific fact and vegetarianism like other diets have set guidelines while feminist is a label historically shown to be variable.
It's more like just like some weirdos eat and promote wearing khaki with plaid because by their definition a weirdo likes such clothing.
Not at all seems you're overreaching again as you did with the race analogy. Race is a scientific fact and vegetarianism like other diets have set guidelines while feminist is a label historically shown to be variable.
In history, feminism might've just meant (actually been defined as) the opposite of what it means today. Maybe (and if I'm overreaching on anything, it's on this and we both know it). But the thing is that now the dictionary definition of feminism is factual, and I've not found one dictionary to confirm that use of the word to mean the opposite is proper. We have different values, I suppose. But I think anyone who seriously wants to solve the problem concerning sexists and those they are sexist against would do well to burst the bubble of any woman (or man) who wants the label of "feminist" without actually resembling the current meaning of the word. They probably take a lot of pride in the label, which is exactly why many of them might insist on being known as a feminist without actually fitting the description.
Yes, it's a label. And therefore it should tell us something about the person right away, don't you think? Do you not agree that this is a huge part of the problem, misunderstanding as to what a feminist really is?
In history, feminism might've just meant (actually been defined as) the opposite of what it means today. Maybe (and if I'm overreaching on anything, it's on this and we both know it). But the thing is that now the dictionary definition of feminism is factual, and I've not found one dictionary to confirm that use of the word to mean the opposite is proper. We have different values, I suppose. But I think anyone who seriously wants to solve the problem concerning sexists and those they are sexist against would do well to burst the bubble of any woman (or man) who wants the label of "feminist" without actually resembling the current meaning of the word. They probably take a lot of pride in the label, which is exactly why many of them might insist on being known as a feminist without actually fitting the description.
Yes, it's a label. And therefore it should tell us something about the person right away, don't you think? Do you not agree that this is a huge part of the problem, misunderstanding as to what a feminist really is?
Again the dictionary definition in my experience isn't consistent thus it's not a factual definition to me if it's variable.
I think the problem is a lack of consistent definition with set guidelines no different than many ideologies that often change.
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