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Has it come out yet who put Rice up to the 5 TV interviews pointing to the Youtube video, the Sunday after the attack?
Both the State Department and intelligence community have put out statements saying "no....it wasn't us.....it was the White House" re: explanation for the attacks. I keep wondering who is going to fall on their sword for this?
Someone gave Rice much "face time". She's in line to be Sect'y of State if Obama wins re-election.
This may have backfired though. Hillary has already said that Rice was not touting the State Dept's message but the WH instead.
And it's a real simple question. Just ask Ms. Rice this: "Who told you to go on all the TV stations that Sunday and who gave you the story to tell?"
Why we will need to wait 6 months with lots of tap dancing is just beyond me.
So where was OPs concern when events like this happened throughout the Bush years?
2002: U.S. Consulate In Karachi, Pakistan, Attacked; 10 Killed, 51 Injured.
2004: U.S. Embassy Bombed In Uzbekistan. Two Killed
2004: Gunmen Stormed U.S. Consulate In Saudi Arabia. Eight Killed
2006: Armed Men Attacked U.S. Embassy In Syria. One Killed
2007: Grenade Launched Into U.S. Embassy In Athens.
2008: Rioters Set Fire To U.S. Embassy In Serbia.
2008: Ten People Killed In Bombings At U.S. Embassy In Yemen.
There's lot more dead that you simply don't care about. The only reason you care now is you're making political fodder over the deaths of an American, a death you seem overjoyed because you can play politics with it. Yes, the State Department and Congress all messed-up and made a fatal mistake, but this... this reaction is sick.
You should be ashamed.
Show me the attempts to downplay and misinform the public as relates each of those events. Take your head out of the sand. It ain't about the number dead, it's about what led up to the the ordeal and more importantly, how the Administration has handled it since.
If anyone should be ashamed, it should be the folks trying chalk this up and an "oh, oops" moment Obama.
For days now, the U.S. intelligence agencies have been testifying to Congress that they never said the attacks on our consulate came from "protests" or were related to a video. The attacks, they said, came directly from militants who arrived with that purpose.
So, obviously someone very high up in the "intel community" lied to 0bama. I want that person to stand trial for his crimes.
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So Joe Biden's statements during his debate with Paul Ryan, to the effect that (a) "we" were never told about any requests for more security from the Libya consulate, and (b) we said the attacks were due to a video because that's what intelligence told us at the time, are starting to raise eyebrows all over the country. Publicly blaming the intelligence agencies for saying something they never said, is a shocking abuse by a boss, of people who work for him.
Biden did not seem very upset that he was fed false information, did he? He seemed willing to shrug it off as just another bump in the road, and move on.
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It is becoming clear that Obama and his flacks lied to protect the fable that Obama had knocked out Al Qaeda and they were no longer a threat. When they attacked several embassies and consulates around Sept. 11, 2012, and killed four Americans including the ambassador, Obama quickly announced that it was all done by random protestors, spontaneously, in reaction to a video... NOT a planned and coordinated attack by militants associated with Al Qaeda.
And it is equally clear that Obama (or somebody) refused to provide the additional security requested by the consulate, not because it wasn't needed, but because putting in more security would have been a public admission that Obama's claims of a more peaceful Middle East, were fibs, and his policies were a failure.
But the 0bama defenders want to claim 0bama is completely innocent, and the intel community purposely misinformed him, and allowed him and his admin to look like fools for a month. Their theory implies that someone very high up in the state department was trying to cover up their incompetence for not providing proper security for our ambassador, and mislead the president. This would also require dozens of other state department officials to collude in a scheme to hide the truth and keep the lies going, and let the president look like a fool for a month.
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But now the media and various White House spokesmen are having a very difficult time piecing together new "stories" that cover all the known "facts"... since some of those "facts" directly contradict sworn testimony by those who were directly involved.
It's never been easy to be a liberal. And with more and more information being revealed about what's been going on, it's becoming more difficult by the minute.
White House moves to insulate Biden, Obama on Libya security question
Published October 12, 2012
FoxNews.com
The White House scrambled Friday to explain Vice President Biden's confusing statement that "we weren't told" of requests for more diplomatic security in Libya, claiming he was referring only to "himself" and President Obama. Biden, during Thursday's debate, had made the controversial statement in response to criticism from Paul Ryan about the protection of diplomatic posts in Libya in the run-up to the Sept. 11 terror attack.
Moderator Martha Raddatz pressed him: "And they wanted more security there." But Biden responded: "Well, we weren't told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again."
(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
So why isn't Sen. Reid in the US senate conducting his own investigations, the state department lied to the president, and was incompetent by not ensuring the ambassador was properly protected.
The scramblers are the Repubs who cannot stand the thought they have nothing legitimate to use against Obama, so they make up these "big controversies" that really don't exist. Much like their voter suppression efforts.
Someone high up in the state department was incompetent by not ensuring our ambassador was protected, or doesn't that matter to you?
Someone in the intel community fed the president false, misleading and contradictory intel, or doesn't that matter to you?
Four men are dead, because we ignored the violence in Libya, we did not provide them a proper level of security, this is not some red herring or straw dog.
Someone high up in the state department was incompetent by not ensuring our ambassador was protected, or doesn't that matter to you?
Someone in the intel community fed the president false, misleading and contradictory intel, or doesn't that matter to you?
Four men are dead, because we ignored the violence in Libya, we did not provide them a proper level of security, this is not some red herring or straw dog.
The Ambassador went to a remote, potentially dangerous location away from the Embassy. The decision as to what kind and level of security people should go with him is made in the Embassy. The person that makes that decision, is the Ambassador. The Ambassador very probably felt there was not as much danger since the Libyan people were very supportive of him. It turned out tragically, we should ALL feel bad about that and NONE of us should be politicizing it.
The Ambassador went to a remote, potentially dangerous location away from the Embassy. The decision as to what kind and level of security people should go with him is made in the Embassy. The person that makes that decision, is the Ambassador. The Ambassador very probably felt there was not as much danger since the Libyan people were very supportive of him. It turned out tragically, we should ALL feel bad about that and NONE of us should be politicizing it.
Well the writings in his personal journal say otherwise.
I agree with the progression of information. As time goes on and investigation continues, the facts will come out. I don't agree with people who come to fast conclusions without the facts. As, incidentally, Romney did. That shows me a lack of Presidential quality.
The facts are that the state department denies it ever suggested there was a protest, much less that it was a protest in response to Cairo or the YouTube movie trailer.
The facts are that ambassador Stevens called Washington on 9/11, informing them that they heard loud explosions and armed men were poring into the compound. We even have several live video streams from the security cameras that do not show a protest, they show a heavily armed terrorist attack.
The "too fast conclusions" were the ones from 0bama and his admin that claimed they had actionable intel that Cairo's earlier protest prompted a spontaneous movie protest in just the neighborhood around the Benghazi consulate, and some radical elements spontaneously took advantage of it to attack the consulate.
What made the spontaneous movie protest gone bad, assessment so unflappable that the president ran with it for a month?? What made the truth so long in coming, but the false assessment only took a few hours?
So where was OPs concern when events like this happened throughout the Bush years?
What part of this don't you get?!?
On Sept. 10th Terry Jones declared that Sept. 11, 2012 would be International Judge Muhammad Day.
The next day at 11:00 AM EST, Egyptians began to assemble outside of the U.S. EMBASSY in Cairo.
At 6:00 PM Stand Up America Now began live streaming Jone's anti-Muslim presentation online.
Around the same time, Egyptians in Cairo began assaulting the EMBASSY.
At 7:51 PM reports started to come from Libyan officials that the CONSULATE in Benghazi has been attacked and that one member of the CONSULATE staff had been killed.
So you see, despite the fact that three CONSULATE personel and the Ambassador had been killed there should have been at least one CONSULATE staffer to go out and interview the attackers to determine that they weren't attacking because of the film but because the "Hate Our Freedoms™". Transmit that information to the U.S. EMBASSY in Tripoli who could then in turn sent that off to Foggy Bottom and Langley for assessment before transmitting the details to President Obama and Sec. Clinton by 7:21 AM when in their joint statement said:
I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi, which took the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens. Right now, the American people have the families of those we lost in our thoughts and prayers. They exemplified America's commitment to freedom, justice, and partnership with nations and people around the globe, and stand in stark contrast to those who callously took their lives.
I have directed my Administration to provide all necessary resources to support the security of our personnel in Libya, and to increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe. While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.
On a personal note, Chris was a courageous and exemplary representative of the United States. Throughout the Libyan revolution, he selflessly served our country and the Libyan people at our mission in Benghazi. As Ambassador in Tripoli, he has supported Libya's transition to democracy. His legacy will endure wherever human beings reach for liberty and justice. I am profoundly grateful for his service to my Administration, and deeply saddened by this loss.
The brave Americans we lost represent the extraordinary service and sacrifices that our civilians make every day around the globe. As we stand united with their families, let us now redouble our own efforts to carry their work forward.
Which Sec. Clinton followed by stating:
Yesterday, our U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya was attacked. Heavily armed militants assaulted the compound and set fire to our buildings. American and Libyan security personnel battled the attackers together. Four Americans were killed. They included Sean Smith, a Foreign Service information management officer, and our Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens. We are still making next of kin notifications for the other two individuals.
You apparently don't understand the problem, they weren't heavily armed militants, they were Islamic terrorist!
The Ambassador went to a remote, potentially dangerous location away from the Embassy. The decision as to what kind and level of security people should go with him is made in the Embassy. The person that makes that decision, is the Ambassador. The Ambassador very probably felt there was not as much danger since the Libyan people were very supportive of him. It turned out tragically, we should ALL feel bad about that and NONE of us should be politicizing it.
You must have pulled that information out of a place where the sun don't shine. Clearly you didn't listen to the hearings nor do you understand the role of security personnel. If you did list to the hearings you would know that when it came to security the ambassador deferred to Nordstrom and Wood. Nordstrom said that the Ambassador never questioned their recommendations and complied. He put his trust in them. Nordstrom and Wood were the ones that made the plans, lead teams, and advised the ambassador as to what should be done. They are seasoned, knowledgeable and experienced in their field. They are EXPERTS!!
Has it come out yet who put Rice up to the 5 TV interviews pointing to the Youtube video, the Sunday after the attack?
Both the State Department and intelligence community have put out statements saying "no....it wasn't us.....it was the White House" re: explanation for the attacks. I keep wondering who is going to fall on their sword for this?
No.
Apparently it was some nameless, faceless intel community person that told her what to say, and then she took it upon herself to book five weekend news show appearances, and repeatedly tell everyone that it was a Cairo induced, spontaneous protest over the horrible disgusting movie.
Last edited by Wapasha; 10-14-2012 at 12:11 PM..
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