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Old 10-15-2012, 08:00 PM
 
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"The state" has been making judgements on how land should be used since 1926. .........
And they shouldn't have!
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Old 10-15-2012, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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And they shouldn't have!
See my last post.
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Old 10-15-2012, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Without zoning, what would prevent someone from opening a sewage treatment plant next to your house? Would you be OK with that; you'd just take the loss and move somewhere else, or put up with it?
I think my neighbors and I would have a cause of action to pursue. Point is, if the gov't deemed it a good use for that property or for mine, I don't get much to say about it.

We had an recent incident where a local landowner was building a private chapel on his property, which was vast, 700 acres with a winery. The county was beside themselves to stop him, and wouldn't provide him with the permits to finish this project. We had petitions circulating in support of him. He had to spend a lot of money in court to finally win what was his right all along. They go too far with some of these zoning laws, and use them against us.
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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I think my neighbors and I would have a cause of action to pursue. Point is, if the gov't deemed it a good use for that property or for mine, I don't get much to say about it.
Maybe a sewage treatment plant was a bad example, since that is infrastructure. What if your neighbor decided they were going to open a garbage dump, and burn all of the furniture at the edge of their property, near yours? My point is that we, as a society, have decided that zoning is the best way to keep this kind of thing from happening. It wasn't some kind of nefarious government plot to take your land rights.

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We had an recent incident where a local landowner was building a private chapel on his property, which was vast, 700 acres with a winery. The county was beside themselves to stop him, and wouldn't provide him with the permits to finish this project. We had petitions circulating in support of him. He had to spend a lot of money in court to finally win what was his right all along. They go too far with some of these zoning laws, and use them against us.
What was the county's reason? Was it simply a matter of non-conforming use? Assembly/institutional/etc. in a residential/agricultural/etc. zone? Was there a NIMBY who was causing the county to not give this property owner a variance? The city where I live had to deny a zoning change to a property owner who wanted to change their residential land into a farm, all because one neighbor objected.
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:07 AM
 
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Without zoning, what would prevent someone from opening a sewage treatment plant next to your house? Would you be OK with that; you'd just take the loss and move somewhere else, or put up with it?
You do not have to have monopolistic statutory law to implement zoning...It can very well be achieved through polycentric law.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Maybe a sewage treatment plant was a bad example, since that is infrastructure. What if your neighbor decided they were going to open a garbage dump, and burn all of the furniture at the edge of their property, near yours? My point is that we, as a society, have decided that zoning is the best way to keep this kind of thing from happening. It wasn't some kind of nefarious government plot to take your land rights.



What was the county's reason? Was it simply a matter of non-conforming use? Assembly/institutional/etc. in a residential/agricultural/etc. zone? Was there a NIMBY who was causing the county to not give this property owner a variance? The city where I live had to deny a zoning change to a property owner who wanted to change their residential land into a farm, all because one neighbor objected.
They wanted him to cease and desist because he didn't have the proper permits, which they refused to issue to him. What astonished me was so many of the locals didn't see this as a rights issue, but as a class issue. He's rich, so screw im.

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County officials said Anselmo, who was not at the rally, did not obtain the proper building permits to build the chapel. The chapel was being constructed at Anselmo Vineyards, a 15-acre ranch that includes a store, winery and restaurant.
But Anselmo's suit claims the county has violated his constitutional religious rights and his private property rights under the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act.
Some of the speakers agreed with Anselmo and that officials with the county's Resource Management Agency are not accountable to the public.
"We're here today because government is not working for the people," said Patrick Jones, a member of the Redding City Council. Like Clifford, Jones also is running for a seat on the county Board of Supervisors.
http://www.redding.com/news/2012/feb/28/Chapel/

This is him, Mr. Anselmo

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