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Old 10-17-2012, 09:22 AM
 
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Unfortunately, the other option is far far worse. Had you guys actually put a decent Republican candidate up against Obama, I might be more inclined to cross party lines. But you didn't. I will not vote for a religious nut job who calls half the country worthless, thinks women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, wants to ban gays from ever getting married, whines about poor people not paying taxes, while he pays less taxes on hundreds of millions of dollars than poor people pay on 20 thousand, and who wants to start a war with Iran.

Yes, continue to believe those lies pushed by Obama. Romney showed his tax returns, Romney apologized for the 47% remark and said he was wrong, but in many ways he was technically right. We as a nation have become too dependant on the government for everything. Welfare should only be a last minute temporary measure until a person can get back on their feet not something people should just live on as an excuse not to work.

Over 30 years of a conservative supreme court has upheld Roe Vs. Wade. That is not going anywhere, so stop worrying about that. On the other hand, Obama is violating our religious liberties with his contraception mandate. The constitution allows freedom from religion and OF religion.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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Marx was the son of a vintner and worked as a journalist before concentrating on writing about economics and philosophy.

Lenin's parents were educators and was never rich having been politically persecuted since he was in college.

Stalin's father was a cobbler and Stalin was expelled from seminary school because he couldn't pay the tuition.

Mao's father was a grain merchant in the rural town of in Shaoshan, Hunan Province.

Ho Chi Minh's father was an educator, and Mao worked as a teacher, a dish washer, and a pastry chef.

Kim ill Sung was reported to be the son of Presbyterian missionaries.

Castro was the illegitimate son of a wealthy Cuban landowner who forced his son to live with the largely Haitian workforce.

In short not one of them was from wealth or had an opportunity to become rich much less squander their wealth since each and every one of them had been branded radicals by their respective governments while still in college.
I was talking about as leaders of their countries, not before they became leaders.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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I was talking about as leaders of their countries, not before they became leaders.
So do a lot of religious preachers. Are they communists too?
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:27 AM
 
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Romney pays less in taxes than poor people. And you ignore the fact that most rich people have enormous hoards of cash locked in places taxes can't touch them, not to mention countless loopholes to avoid paying extra taxes your average citizen has to pay.

FactCheck.org : Does Romney Pay a Lower Rate in Taxes Than You?

Mitt Romney gives more to charity than President Obama, Joe Biden - POLITICO.com
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:27 AM
 
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Bailing out private businesses is part of a Communist agenda. Within Communism, as the government is grown, the more money and control is cycled through industries. Communists have the belief that the government should be relied on for everything, including businesses and jobs, by the people. Having these private businesses rely and owe the government goes perfectly with trying to increase Communism in America. I am assuming that you are thinking that since obama invested in private corporations, it proves that he is a Capitalist. Not true because he wants the government to keep these companies running. And it is not working because he is trying to destroy a free market in America. The reason that Communist China is doing so well is because they are taking on more of the Capitalist ideals of American business. I wish obama would too.
No, honey, bailing out private businesses is NOT part of a Communist agenda.

Communism is about government taking "private" out of the equation entirely.

Nothing that President Obama has done has been an attempt to destroy a free market in America.

There hasn't been a free market in America in a very long time. Free markets are like pure communism, they are fairytales that do not exist. Free markets don't exist because as quickly as they come into existence, whomever controls capital then uses coercion to advance their own interests. Governments make laws to prevent such coercion from happening, thus preventing monopolies. Pure communism doesn't exist because as quickly as it comes into existence, whomever controls the capital in those systems, be it labor capital, or financial capital, or mental capital, then uses coercion to advance their own interests.

Communist China has only ever embraced the thought of communism, not the practice of communism. Government simply has more power to intercede in China. But they derive their power from the people of China. The degree that the government seeks to control information and ideas in China proves that.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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Romney pays less in taxes than poor people. And you ignore the fact that most rich people have enormous hoards of cash locked in places taxes can't touch them, not to mention countless loopholes to avoid paying extra taxes your average citizen has to pay.

Myth – The Rich Don’t Pay Their Fair Share « Constitutional Conservatism
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:33 AM
 
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Default Here is something else for the bigmouthed liberals out there

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Conservatives More Liberal Givers

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/op...stof.html?_r=0

Jeff Jacoby: Stingy liberals - Opinion - The Boston Globe

Those “Evil, Rich People”
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:34 AM
 
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"Until we win enough support to change the system, communists call for radical reforms under capitalism. We call for nationalization of the banks, railroads, and industries like steel and auto. Everyone who wants to work should be guaranteed a job or get unemployment payments until she/he can find a job. We say put the unemployed to work at union wages on massive public works programs to rebuild our cities, provide affordable housing for the homeless, build mass transit, and clean up the environment!"-The Communist Party of America.

What part of this sounds like the opposite of Barrack Obama?
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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seahalwkgirl - Your believing a 'free market" ever existed in America is the base for your delusional system. Look att eh reality of finance in the US and not the propoganda.
Of course not, there has always been regulation, and there needs to be, but the question is how much?
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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BTW, I voted for Obama in 2008, but Obama has done too much in the last 3 years to really turn me off. He has failed as a president.

Defecits much higher than before Obama took office
Unemployment higher than before Obama took office
A lower credit rating than before Obama took office
America at a lower place economically in the world
Scandals such as Libya and Fast and Furious

Bush was not a good president either, and I didn't like the Patriot Act(which Obama extended), but Bush is long gone now.
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