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Old 10-18-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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True but the Dems do not care. They are more interested in buying black votes. At the end of the day the blacks will be less educated.
Most right wingers think schools and learning are nothing but communism, that blacks shouldn't even be in school, rather out picking cotton, and the only things you need to know in life is how to carry a bible and vote republican.
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:22 PM
 
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Oh for the days of old. Goof off in class? Get your knuckles wrapped. Play hooky? Get switched. Engaging in criminality? Get sent to reform school. Not smart enough to cut it? Dig ditches for a living, but still have dignity enough to wear a suit to and from work.
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:56 PM
 
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No. YOu should be able to go to school. The problem is your people destroy the schools once you get there. You destroy the schools and then wonder why the people in the neighbohrood no longer want you there. Why do affluent blacks never send their kids to black schools?

CAn you list ANY education system in the entire world where the majority of blacks are successful?
Bring back Jim Crow! Go Tea Party!!



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Old 10-18-2012, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Florida sets education standards based on race, ethnicity | The Daily Caller

Let me guess blacks will have the lowest standards, and asians will be expected to achieve the highest. What the hell are they doing in florida. How about they try to achieve 100% for all the kids.
The FL standards are defined in this manner: "By 2018, the Board announced, it expects 90 percent of Asian students, 88 percent of white students, 81 percent of Hispanic students, and 74 percent of black students to be reading at grade level." Debate Erupts Over Florida Race-Based Achievement Goals | Fox News Latino Note that FL is not teaching members of the races differently or separately, or offering less educational opportunities to the different groups.

The new standards are merely a clever way to allow a school or educational system to meet goals under the 'No Child Left Behind' law, which set the unrealistic overall goal of having every student proficient by 2014. More and more schools system recognize they cannot meet such a standard, and are requesting waivers. "To get a waiver states must present plans that the government can approve, which include academic growth for all students." Debate Erupts Over Florida Race-Based Achievement Goals | Fox News Latino

If the goal is defined as actually having the different races perform at the same level, it can't be achieved by any educational method yet known. But if the goal is divided into racial groups, with different percentages required to be adequate for the grade level, that is achievable.

And while the FL standards may seem easily achievable, they are not. They would require very large increases in performance for the various groups, and would of course also require far more attention and resources (i.e., taxpayer's dollars) to be spent on the lower-achieving groups. This is one of the results of the Federal intrusion into local education systems: a misguided focus of resources on the lowest achievers, rather than the highest. For a nation that actively pursued being part of a world marketplace and employment market, this is definitely not a path to success.

The FL standards are based on the current (which is the same as the historical) academic performance of the groups, not any misguided racist views. And few can argue that the educational system has not been trying to narrow the achievement gap with tons of funding, experimental approaches to teaching, and whatever other methods they could devise. Unfortunately, even with all the attempts to equalize the academic achievement of the races over the decades (including changing standardized tests to eliminate all questions that certain races typically answer wrong), the results have been minimal: "in the years that there was an aim for all students to be proficient, between 2001 and 2010, the black and white achievement gap only narrowed by 5 percentage points." Debate Erupts Over Florida Race-Based Achievement Goals | Fox News Latino

Other countries also reflect the same differences in achievement rates, and it seems not to matter which measure is used: standardized test scores, grade point averages, dropout rates, or college-enrollment and completion rates. In this case, the problem is not the educational system. IQs vary by race. Different racial groups value educational success differently, or not at all. Groups that have very high poverty rates don't see education as a path out, since there are no jobs anyway--certainly none that pay enough to live on.

I can't fault Florida's system, since it is the inevitable result of the Fed's impossible goal. Rather than simply accept the losses of massive Federal (taxpayer) funding resulting from failure to meet the goals, Florida is defining the goals as something achievable. If this system is shot down by the courts or the Feds (note that the Federal Dept. of Education has expressed support so far), it will become THE accepted way to satisfy the Federal waiver requirements. If it is not accepted, numerous states will lose (some) Federal funding, and the pressure will be on for local taxpayers to be squeezed even more in the hopes of gaining some of that massive federal pot of gold.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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The FL standards are defined in this manner: "By 2018, the Board announced, it expects 90 percent of Asian students, 88 percent of white students, 81 percent of Hispanic students, and 74 percent of black students to be reading at grade level." Debate Erupts Over Florida Race-Based Achievement Goals | Fox News Latino Note that FL is not teaching members of the races differently or separately, or offering less educational opportunities to the different groups.

The new standards are merely a clever way to allow a school or educational system to meet goals under the 'No Child Left Behind' law, which set the unrealistic overall goal of having every student proficient by 2014. More and more schools system recognize they cannot meet such a standard, and are requesting waivers. "To get a waiver states must present plans that the government can approve, which include academic growth for all students." Debate Erupts Over Florida Race-Based Achievement Goals | Fox News Latino

If the goal is defined as actually having the different races perform at the same level, it can't be achieved by any educational method yet known. But if the goal is divided into racial groups, with different percentages required to be adequate for the grade level, that is achievable.

And while the FL standards may seem easily achievable, they are not. They would require very large increases in performance for the various groups, and would of course also require far more attention and resources (i.e., taxpayer's dollars) to be spent on the lower-achieving groups. This is one of the results of the Federal intrusion into local education systems: a misguided focus of resources on the lowest achievers, rather than the highest. For a nation that actively pursued being part of a world marketplace and employment market, this is definitely not a path to success.

The FL standards are based on the current (which is the same as the historical) academic performance of the groups, not any misguided racist views. And few can argue that the educational system has not been trying to narrow the achievement gap with tons of funding, experimental approaches to teaching, and whatever other methods they could devise. Unfortunately, even with all the attempts to equalize the academic achievement of the races over the decades (including changing standardized tests to eliminate all questions that certain races typically answer wrong), the results have been minimal: "in the years that there was an aim for all students to be proficient, between 2001 and 2010, the black and white achievement gap only narrowed by 5 percentage points." Debate Erupts Over Florida Race-Based Achievement Goals | Fox News Latino

Other countries also reflect the same differences in achievement rates, and it seems not to matter which measure is used: standardized test scores, grade point averages, dropout rates, or college-enrollment and completion rates. In this case, the problem is not the educational system. IQs vary by race. Different racial groups value educational success differently, or not at all. Groups that have very high poverty rates don't see education as a path out, since there are no jobs anyway--certainly none that pay enough to live on.

I can't fault Florida's system, since it is the inevitable result of the Fed's impossible goal. Rather than simply accept the losses of massive Federal (taxpayer) funding resulting from failure to meet the goals, Florida is defining the goals as something achievable. If this system is shot down by the courts or the Feds (note that the Federal Dept. of Education has expressed support so far), it will become THE accepted way to satisfy the Federal waiver requirements. If it is not accepted, numerous states will lose (some) Federal funding, and the pressure will be on for local taxpayers to be squeezed even more in the hopes of gaining some of that massive federal pot of gold.

So let me get this right NO child left behind requires every student regardless of race to be proficient for the grade level, and this school district decided that African Americans and hispanics need lower levels. I thought the republicans were the racists?

How about the actually spend their resources in teaching these kids all the basics, instead of promoting racist programs?
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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Another embarrassment for African Americans and Hispanics.

I'm not sure how you folks sit idly by while the world ridicules you for being intellectually inferior.

But have at it. This is what they call "progress!"

FORWARD!!!!!!!
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:29 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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So let me get this right NO child left behind requires every student regardless of race to be proficient for the grade level, and this school district decided that African Americans and hispanics need lower levels. I thought the republicans were the racists?

How about the actually spend their resources in teaching these kids all the basics, instead of promoting racist programs?
From the article,
Currently 76 percent of Asian students, 69 percent of white students, 53 percent of Hispanic students, 55 percent of Native American students and 38 percent of African-American students are at or above their grade level reading standards. And 82 percent of Asian students, 68 percent of white students, 55 percent of Hispanic students, 58 percent of Native American students and 40 percent of African-American are at or above their grade level math standards.

I might add that a few years ago they changed the grades. 96% was an A, now it's 90. 80 is a B, 70 a C, and 60 is a D.

My wife is a teacher and DIL is a teacher. It is not all the teachers' fault, parents are sending their children inequipped to learn. Kindergarteners are sent to school with no skills, some not even knowing colors, letters, 'their own phone number', no spelling or counting skills. My 2 1/2 year old grandchild has more knowledge than some of these 5-6 year olds.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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If you got a better idea, i'm pretty sure they would be happy to hear it.

I do, crack the whip on everybody. None of this P.C. liberal affirmative action crap.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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So let me get this right NO child left behind requires every student regardless of race to be proficient for the grade level, and this school district decided that African Americans and hispanics need lower levels. I thought the republicans were the racists?

How about the actually spend their resources in teaching these kids all the basics, instead of promoting racist programs?
You thought wrong. Liberals just by thier patronizing, condescending ways they treat black people are the real racist. They treat us like we're helpless creatures.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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No. YOu should be able to go to school. The problem is your people destroy the schools once you get there. You destroy the schools and then wonder why the people in the neighbohrood no longer want you there. Why do affluent blacks never send their kids to black schools?

CAn you list ANY education system in the entire world where the majority of blacks are successful?
Yeah cause there's NEVER any problems in schools where the majority of the kids are white.

The only students that will be affected by this are the ones who would have done poorly anyway. A student who doesn't have parents who value education are likely to fail regardless of race.
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