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Old 10-20-2012, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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be fair to lincoln and remember the times in which he was president. yes he did all the things you listed, but he did it in a time of civil war. had he not been assassinated i believe that he would have reversed everything he did to maintain the union. there are times when extreme measures need to be taken, and that was one of them.

I know the times in which he was President. There was a way to end the war before it started, and end slavery.

But his party, and him, were party in the destruction and the largest power grab by the federal government in our nations history.

And we pay that penalty today with our over expanded, bloated federal government where the states have no power.
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Bull! The prior poster was absolutely correct. For instance, roads...government only "collects $'s" from the people and then pays those $'s out to "the contractor (private enterprise) that builds, repairs, etc., the roads. MOST businesses do NOT use government $'s for start up. We earn $'s, mortgage everything we own if we need a loan and take the responsibility for ourselves.

I could go on and on, but I think you might get the picture if you really think about it. For the most part, government only gets in the way except for the area of National security protecting our borders and international interests. Well...that is until the current mess in the White House and Senate.
Who Built That? Republicans Sidestep Government’s Role - ABC News
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:05 AM
 
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I know the times in which he was President. There was a way to end the war before it started, and end slavery.

But his party, and him, were party in the destruction and the largest power grab by the federal government in our nations history.

And we pay that penalty today with our over expanded, bloated federal government where the states have no power.
really? how would you have ended slavery? he wanted to do it through the law, and the south objected to the point where they seceded from the union.
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Old 10-20-2012, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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really? how would you have ended slavery? he wanted to do it through the law, and the south objected to the point where they seceded from the union.

Step 1. Outlaw the buying and selling of new slaves in the United States. Don't take away the slaves that people legally bought, like it or not, the United States said it was ok to own slaves, kind of screwed up for the federal government just to suddenly outlaw that, and take away a lot of your money you earned.

Step 2. Buy all slaves, from their owners, and set them free.

This offer was floated by Lincoln and the southern states and slave owners.

Letters Suggest Lincoln Wanted to Buy Slaves for $400 Apiece in 'Gradual Emancipation' | Fox News

But the northern business interests that would have had to fund the emancipation, didn't like that. To much money to be made by having the war. They were manufacturing weapons, and weapons meant big money for them. If they won the war in the North, which they did, then they could come down and practically steal all of the land of the south, and still set the slaves free for no cost of their own.

War was good for business in the north, a legal, paid for emancipation that wouldn't have required war but massive tax increases, wasn't good for business.

Real truth.
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Old 10-20-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Communist, Socialist, Muslim, Bill Ayers, Acorn!!!

Welfare, Obamaphone, Obamacare!!!
All true.. nothing made up!
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Old 10-20-2012, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Letters Suggest Lincoln Wanted to Buy Slaves for $400 Apiece in 'Gradual Emancipation' | Fox News

But the northern business interests that would have had to fund the emancipation, didn't like that. To much money to be made by having the war. They were manufacturing weapons, and weapons meant big money for them. If they won the war in the North, which they did, then they could come down and practically steal all of the land of the south, and still set the slaves free for no cost of their own.

War was good for business in the north, a legal, paid for emancipation that wouldn't have required war but massive tax increases, wasn't good for business.

Real truth.
Jefferson, and others, supported a similar plan, until the census of 1790 showed it would be too costly.
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Old 10-20-2012, 02:27 PM
 
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Good to see trolling is alive and well.
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Old 10-20-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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When an organization can TAKE however much of your paycheck it wants, then you are OWNED by that organization. When an organization can hand you a "property tax" bill that has no relation to services rendered, and in fact makes it too expensive to live in your own, paid-for house, that organization OWNS you. When the Revenue arm of that organization can freeze and confiscate your assets because it thinks you didn't give it as much as you possibly could have, then the organization OWNS you.

And when the time comes for your "input" into the overall direction of government, but you are only allowed to choose between two two clones that BOTH champion Empire-building, war-mongering Socialist Big Government, then you are OWNED by an organization you have no say in.

Slavery didn't end after the Civil War. The growth of Big Government has created an entire nation where the workers' earnings are divided between their Government owners, and the Corporate employers that run a Company Store filled with foreign goods.
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Old 10-20-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Jefferson, and others, supported a similar plan, until the census of 1790 showed it would be too costly.
That's partly why Lincoln was favoring a gradual, 20 year emancipation process.

And the numbers of slaves had exploded due in part to the cotton gin. Which meant that the us treasury had expanded greatly from taxes.

But in the end, they decided to let people kill one another in the hundreds of thousands with rifles, for private profit.

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Old 10-20-2012, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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This is exactly what Christie said:

Christie's remarks

Here’s what the governor said about watching the Democratic National Convention:

"I watched it and I didn’t find a whole lot noteworthy about it, except for this: the Democratic National Convention, this is what they said about what Democrats believe. They said, ‘Government is the only thing we all belong to.’

Now I want you to listen to that again. I’m gonna say it slowly. I want you to listen to it again. This is what the Democrats under Barack Obama believe: ‘Government is the only thing we all belong to.’

You see, I don’t know. I’m never the smartest person in the room. It’s a great relief, not only to me, but to all of you as well. I’m never the smartest person in the room, and I never got the best grades in school. But this much I understood from my history lessons, that we didn’t belong to the government. The government belongs to us.

You see, you see, the Constitution doesn’t start by saying, ‘We the government,’ does it? It says, ‘We the people.’ All power and authority emanates from the people, and that power and authority, which through that document and our other laws we delegate to the government is the power and authority they have. They belong to us.

You see, that’s what we believed from the founding of our country, but Barack Obama believes something very, very different. He absolutely believes we belong to him. He believes that we are just pawns to be moved around his giant chessboard of government. He’s gonna pick the winners and the losers."



Semantics. Obama believes it, it was Obama's convention. Christie reminds those in denial about Obama's agenda.

Semantics???..you have proved that you have no idea what that word means.
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